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Valjoux vs Lemania
This from watch-wiki.net:
In the 1940's, Lemania and Omega worked together on a project called "27 CHRO C12" to develop a 27 mm diameter chronograph with a 12-hour register. Lead by Albert Piguet and Jaques Reymond, this project resulted in the 1942 launch of the Lemania 2310, called Calibre 321 by Omega.
The Valjoux 22 and similar Valjoux 71 are chronograph movements produced by Valjoux and later ETA for 60 years, from 1914 through 1974.
So your ref 4178 has the VC calibre 434, which was based on the Valjoux 22. Nothing to do with Lemania.
Brothers in arms: my VC Chronos
70 years apart, but powered by the same engine, the Lemania 2310. Both watches have many things in common: The 30-minute chronograph, dial layout, tachymeter scale, the fancy lugs. But both have their very own personality. The Cornes de Vache is a watch t...
Actually I have in mind to streamline my collection, but I'm completely incapable of doing it :-)
And yes, the salmon Historiques, the Malte chrono, the Dubail edition.... So many outstanding chronos by VC!
That would be thrilling to achieve such a theme.
As we speak of the 4178, what about this one? ...
Both wonderful
for me the modern Historique (CdV) however, is an absolute dream. What an extremely fine watch oozing class. Thanks! Kind Regards, George
Thanks, George!
I own the CDV since 2018 and it is one of the watches I have on my wrist most often. It’s just so delicious to look at! Glad you like it, and thanks for your kind words. Daniel
I can unserstand that, Daniël.
I’d be obliged if you share pictures of your CdV more often with us. It’s indeed a sight to behold.
mrsds just stole it from me after I took the pics 😄
but I‘m happy to post some more if I eventually get it back.
The best!
CdV and black dial duomtre chronograph really are my favorites right now, and maybe the enamel breguet . Oddly right now I am thinking of something for centennial of the 1921, they can't ignore that!
Yes, the CDV is an absolute pleasure to wear
I wear it far more often than the 4178, which is reserved for special occasions. If I take the feedbacks so far as votes, the CDV has a 4-1 lead. Cheers, Daniel
Yess! The pleasure lies in the details...
...and you seem to know the fine print, Sir! Thanks, and enjoy. Daniel
Any idea why the 3, 6, and 9 minute markers on the older version?
Was thinking maybe something to do with timing phone calls?
You have sharp eyes, mdg.
Frankly I have no ideas about the 3-6-9 on the minute register. Phone calls might be a good bet. I‘ll check with VC staff once they reopen. Thanks for watching!
Thanks...back when this watch was new...
...I’m guessing long distance calls were pricey...that’s my guess and I’m sticking with it : )
that is the official version
as long-distance calls were billed in 3-minute increments. 9 minutes wouldn't cover a call between my wife and daughters!
I put this question forward to VC
after all they have the history and the historians. I‘m curious what their explanation is. I‘ll keep you posted.
I hope the good people at VCs Heritage Dept
get back into the offices soon, there must be a bit of a backlog by now. While you wait, this is from Complicated Watches and their Repair by Donald de Carle, 1956 ...
Great insight, thanks a lot Tick Talk!
Outstanding community in this forum, the knowledge here never stops to amaze me! Have a great day. Daniel
My Friend, I don't have a chrono but I have this 1949 grandfather
All the Best. Juan ...
Wow, what a wonderful VC!
That guilloche dial, and sensual case... Top class! Thanks for sharing this with us, dear Juan! Daniel
Beautiful pieces
and not to nit pick but your 4178 has a 13-ligne Valjoux calibre 434 with 19 jewels I celebrate other differences, as well. Mention of the ampersand was already made, and along that theme, the ref 4178 is an original model and the CdV is a homage to the r...
Thanks, TickTalk, for the movement pic and additional info
Beautiful movement in your 4178! You’re spot on with the info on the movement. The only point I‘m not sure is that you state a Valjoux Cal. 434, while I thought it to be a VC Cal. 434 based on Lemania‘s 2310. Could you explain the Valjoux connection? Than...
Valjoux vs Lemania
This from : In the 1940's, Lemania and Omega worked together on a project called "27 CHRO C12" to develop a 27 mm diameter chronograph with a 12-hour register. Lead by Albert Piguet and Jaques Reymond, this project resulted in the 1942 launch of the Leman...
Thanks for pointing this out, Tick Talk. I stand corrected.
So, no "same engine" in the two chronos. Valjoux 22 ebauche in the 4178's Cal. 434, Lemania 2320 ebauche in the Cornes de Vache Cal. 1142. I keep learning from you, dear Tick Talk Daniel
