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I am not sure which Calatrava you were actually considering - the discontinued 5119 range or the classic 5196. The 5196 is more comparable in size and dial to the Grand Seiko SBGW231 but the 215 movement is not visible. In addition, the lugs do not curve as well as those on the Grand Seiko so even though this watch is 0.3mm smaller than the Grand Seiko, it wore larger.on my wrist The 5119 is a lovely watch and this time the 215 movement is visible although one might argue the movement is too small for the watch. The hob nail bezel is something you will either love or hate and the white dial is not as attractive in my opinion compared to the 5196 or the cream dial on the Grand Seiko. I love Pateks as those who know me will attest to. With Patek, you do not just buy a well made watch but you buy the entire experience which is difficult to quantify - once hooked you will understand my passion for Patek.
Saying that, I strongly feel that few brands, if any, currently offer a better ratio of price to quality as Grand Seiko do. If one is able to be objective and not bother about buying a non Swiss or German made watch, then, a Grand Seiko would make a compelling choice.
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Accidents can be a blessing!
Yesterday, I accidentally dropped by at a Grand Seiko dealer and was pleasantly surprised after trying on the SBGW031. I am not sure if it was the simplicity of the cream dial, the manual winding movement or the relatively petite 37.3mm diameter that won ...
I personally prefer traditional mechanical over SpringDrive
but that's me. I like the SBGW031 as it looks like Seiko's version of a Calatrava from the 1950s (but with 21st Century manufacturing methods and build quality). That last photo in your post shows its beauty. Classic. I even like the round case and lugs o...
Thank you for your suggestion and feedback!
I too am partial to traditional mechanical over spring drive although admittedly, I do like the way the second hand on a spring drive watch glides smoothly the way a traditional mechanical watch is unable to. Also the accuracy of 0.5 seconds per day on a ...
I like big crowns especially for manual wind watches
as it makes the winding experience easier. Imagine how it would feel if you had to manually wind a tiny crown on a manual wind watch. You'd get rug burn on your fingers )
The winding mechanism is very smooth on the SBGW031
and yes I have had Cartier watches in the past with small crowns and even though they do look exquisite, winding the watch can be quite an effort. But arguably a slightly smaller crown may have been preferred on the SBGW031. I always feel part of the joy ...
I learn something new, thank you Mike!
I shall now be following the Seiko forum more closely as I have so much to learn.
Just to let you know
I bought the SBGW231 at 9pm tonight I have also cancelled my order for the SBGY003.
Thank you Mr Roboto! :-)
Your initial advice did convince me that the SBGW231 was the wise choice.
Congrats, my friend
Can’t go wrong with this one. You know how much I love GS, both for their quality and value proposition.
The value proposition is beyond compare
but I have never quite been taken by the design of the Grand Seiko and was always concerned by its height until I saw the SBGW231. Also I am partial to the watch being a manual wind rather than an automatic which is more common in the Grand Seiko range. T...
Happy to take the blame for this ;-)
Congratulations again! Looking forward to our next GTG and be able to see this in the metal.
Thank you again Richard!!
Where your collection is wisely decreasing, mine is going the wrong direction. This was not on the agenda when I retired two years ago to this very day but I do thank you for the positive influence!
Both look great
I know that isn't the answer you want! As others have said if you can wait until the spring drive arrives & try them both on - will give a much better feeling for them both rather that just a picture. Both very nice so whatever the decision it'll be a goo...
I tend to agree!
Thanks for your feedback. They both do look great. One looks a bit more fussy than the other and arguably one should consider getting both for the price of less than a basic Lange or Patek but I need to be disciplined with my ever increasing watch collect...
I would go for the manual one
It is on my radar too... I find it is a special piece and production numbers are probably quite low
Thank you Vinnie!
I shall be trying it on again tonight :as I had never seen it being sold in Malaysia until yesterday. I think for many years it was a Japan only watch but I have seen it on the Hodinkee website too.
International push
Grand Seiko is making a big push into the US. From what I can see, this is the brand with the most momentum (social networks, alternative channels, press coverage, new distribution etc.). Also high up on the list of innovative brands, with a maintained fo...
Yes Grand Seiko has been a hidden gem for way too long
and even in the UK and Malaysia, it is gaining momentum but I would say it is more successful in Western countries because many Asian countries are still partial to the Swiss brands. Those in the know however would definitely realise that Grand Seiko offe...
I have to admit that i realy like the clean and almost sober look from that GS SBGY003 too my friend
Havent seen them both in person yet but looking at your pics i would opt for the 003 . As you said it is more your size and when the price is almost half that from the SBGW031 i think thats going to be the best watch to pick (imo)
My friend, I think one of us has made a mistake here
All these SBG codes can be quite confusing. The SBGW031 has the clean classic dial and is half the price of the SBGY003 so I am assuming your preference is for the former Thank you so much for your feedbackj. Not quite a Chronometre Contemporain but at si...
Sorry my bad then . Just looked at your pics and mixed up the refs 😬
But still i realy like the clean look of the watch on your wrist ( just to play safe 😁)
I am sorry too my friend because I too made a mistake
the watch on my wrist is the SBGW231 as correctly pointed out by my friend, skyeriding below, and not the SBGW031! Playing safe is always the safe bet especially when it comes to me!!
I'm going to be a stickler here...
You meant the SBGW231, not the 031 correct? The 031 was prior to rebranding, which shows Seiko on the dial at 12, and GS at 6. The 231 is what you have on your wrist I believe. I have a little reservation of the new manual wind springdrive, because of the...
I stand corrected, thank you!!
It is the SBGW231 of course. And thank you for your thorough evaluation of the spring drive movement. I think the comparison between both watches is almost unfair as their price points are quite different giving the SBGW231 an obvious advantage. I do like...
Thank you my friend
This I intend to do and I can say today that the winding mechanism of the Grand Seiko is so much smoother than my Lang & Heyne Friedrich III, my Moritz Grossmann Atum piece unique and my Patek 1530A. It is buttery smooth like no other and is comparabl...
My only offering is to say that the dial of the 003, to me, was somewhat disappointing.
My view was I will wait for a more interesting dial in this reference. It’s not guaranteed but one would think we will see many more.
Thanks Jay!
I have actually just pulled the trigger an hour ago on the SBGW231, the watch with the clean classic dial
I tried the 231 recently...
And I loved it! Still hunting for other targets, but I can definitely see myself enjoying this one down the road, as it is such a cool and versatile watch. Good luck in reaching your decision, Alex ...
It looks perfect on your wrist, Alex
You should put it in your list, definitely! Saludos. René
I agree, René!
this one is definitely something I can see myself enjoying down the road. Have a great day, Alex
Thanks Alex!
It looks superb on you too!! I guess it is just that kind of watch that looks great on most wrists. Well, I decided to relief myself of the stress and bought the watch 5 hours ago! ...
Congratulations, Sham!
What a great pick up!! A wise choice, without a doubt. I hope to join you soon enough in the 231 owner’s club! Enjoy it, Alex
Thank you Alex!
I cannot emphasize enough what a lovely watch this is and I would have been tempted even if it was priced twice as much.
I’ll go for the sbgw 031
The previous dial version have been in my collection & I didn’t feel the thickness...plus 1 mm difference you’ll hardly be able to notice... But what you might feel is the empty space above 6 when the dia is bigger so the SBGY003 is a tricky one IMHO. Bes...
Thank you very much Mahesh!
I pulled the trigger at 9pm Malaysian time last night. It is now 3.25am and I still admiring my latest toy! The sapphire crystal glass actually sits on the case in a block and accounts for at least 2.5mm of the height of the watch. I like that as it provi...
Congratulations Sham...
when you choose what you love, nothing matters! & after all watches are like a box of chocolates, each one gives an enjoyable taste 😀
Thank you Mahesh, you took the words right out of my mouth! :-)
It is all about loving what one buys and hoping that the love lasts or at least lasts for as long as possible!
Not to be too glib, but...
Why pay all of that dough for a Spring Drive Cocktail Time? For me there's no contest, the '031 has it "hands down," and looks perfect on your wrist, to boot. Congratulations! FH
Thank you for your candour!
I picked up the SBGW231 late last night! (I had made a mistake with the reference number in my initial post) No contest actually when price and value are factored in and they have always been important elements in my decision making. ...
Terrific purchase, whatever the correct reference #! (I know we need to be precise, but honestly these numbers driv e me nuts at times.)
Wear your new baby in good health! FH
Thanks a lot!
I predict that it will be getting at least 50% of my wrist time over the next few months!
Aesthetically...
SBGW031 looks a lot nicer than SBGY003. Also note that Gran Seiko's watch tends to wear bigger. I like the smaller classic Grand Seiko, which are around 37mm in size. I have a similar watch in metal bracelet but earlier version. I chose the earlier versio...
Yours is 231...
and the one I have is SBGW005, basically the same but with blued second hand and metal bracelet.
Thank you very much CL for your feedback!
I agree with your aesthetic views and I decided to buy the SBGW231 (my mistake by calling it the 031). I love the watch and you are right about Grand Seiko wearing big. Unfortunately there are not many 37mm Grand Seiko watches around. I do however prefer ...
Great that you have this piece :-)
They have 001, 031 and 231 so it is quite difficult to remember. Difference between 001 and 031 is the applied logo versus printed logo. 231 has no Seiko logo. I wanted the Seiko logo only because it represents an era. ...
Yes I have heard the Seiko logo is quite popular
I quite like the fact that only the Grand Seiko name exists to reduce clutter on the dial. But that's me! Another important point is the lovely matt finish strap which is a lovely departure from the usual gloss finish strap. The strap complements the unde...
And thank goodness for watch manufacturers
that the market is full of a varying clientele so what might not appeal to Mr A might be Mr B's holy grail
Actually they are all appealing to me but I decide I only need one.
I have owned various iteration of this model and eventually settle for one that I think will match my other watches and suit my usage Plus, me being trained in art, I'm ultra particular in design and how typography are being placed. This pet peeve had hel...
Yes. For you...
I guess the size of the watch will help you. Nothing over 40mm Can you imagine most watches are in the 37-38mm range? Temptations!!!
You know my wrist well!!
40mm would be the very maximum and that too depending on how curved the lugs are. I am comfortable with anything from 34mm to 38mm although I do have one 31mm incoming and two 40mm incoming too! The 31mm 3878J - my holy grail The 40mm 5212/1A also fits Ev...
I trink that the classic SBGW031 fits absolutely perfect...
...on your wrist. It couldn‘t look better. But even the best can be seen through the transparent case back. Please show us the brilliantly decorated movement!
With this classic GS in mind...
...some doubts might come around my Calatrava... The movement is great, absolutely great. Thank you for the photo.
You are most welcome!
I am not sure which Calatrava you were actually considering - the discontinued 5119 range or the classic 5196. The 5196 is more comparable in size and dial to the Grand Seiko SBGW231 but the 215 movement is not visible. In addition, the lugs do not curve ...
Dear sham1, you are absolutely right concerning your words about Patek. And about GS, too...
I would compare the GS SBGW231 with my Calatrava 5127G which has the same size and looks rather similar. On the other hand, the Patek has an automatic movement and it shows the date (which would be dispensable imo). I neither bought the 5196 nor the 5119 ...
Thank you for your comments
and I only mentioned the 5119 and 5196 as I thought you were considering purchasing a manual winding Calatrava. The 5127 is a lovely Patek and you should really keep it. I also think you should add the Grand Seiko SBGW231 (like mine) to your collection an...