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I tried to give some examples of a correct dial to show something was amiss
I was looking for others to join in the conversation. We are all here to learn. The original poster was looking for some thoughts and was not pretending otherwise. So as with a puzzle we draw attention to the missing parts and then hope that people go through the processing of comparing what is correct with what has never been seen. If we just yell fake and not help people to understand the process we are not being helpful. But yes if there is a danger nd someone is about to buy we would have to warn them right away rather that the exercise of exploring.
Thanks for your thoughts.
bill
+1 to Nicolas comments
The bakelite insert seems odd. The depth and color both bother me. E
I am certain the insert is aftermarket .. Is this a pussy galore?
Hello The insert is plastic and held in with glue. You both have a eye for detail. Kind regards Anthony
I don't think any seller would have presented this watch as having an authentic bakelite.
But you need to dig deeper. A bakelite bezel is worth 20-30k or more. If the seller was selling the watch at 25k then he knew what he had. If he was asking for 65k then you need to think on the seller a little. Also please note an authentic correct dial w...
Any extra info would help like serial range, caseback date, matt / glossy etc.
Most of the time it is the lighting and the angles that give miss leading info. Like the Mercedes hour hand. But at the end of the day it is the seller that you need to count on. Bill
Good insight Bill...
Some numbers case number 3561XX Caliber 1036 Movement number. DN7747XX I think the Watch precedes the movie. Anthony
Ok that puts in a 1958 range.
Case back should have a 58 dated case back. Now the movement I can't really say anything. The rest is a little hard based on the pictures. But the puzzle comes together as you add color. Bill
we are splitting hairs between 57/58
But we are still missing a little the parameters. The dial is hard to see in these examples and the crown has an odd shape. But that is not to say not good. If the case back is 1959 / 60 too late and then you start to see is there some assembly. But again...
You mean Remove the dial from the watch? Looking for feet?
I am curious if there is a "-" between "Oyster-Perpetual" of just "Oyster Perpetual". Not sure if Anthony is in a position dis assemble the watch? Bill
Yes, just to check the lack of feet and the presence of the " skirt " all around the dial.
Anthony can do it. He services movements. Best, Nicolas
The crown is a modern replacement..
Hello Bill I appreciate your thoughts, and your insight into the many details of these vintage timepieces. Kind regards Anthony
With nearly 7000 posts your far more than a bystander
It is a real pleasure to share with the community. Just like your 7k. Big thank you. Bill
It is hard to speculate without seeing the watch in person.
I have seen a watch in the same serial range and the crown was different. Now that is not to say this one is wrong. It could have been assembled later or it could have had a dial replaced by Rolex. It is hard to speculate. But as we have said previously h...
A little information...(Back story)
Hello Bill It was a gift from a wife, after husband commented that he thought he would like a Rolex. She told him, her Father used to have a Rolex and retreived it from his stored items. Then he brought it in for an estimate to repair(not running), it has...
Just curious as to who added the aftermarket Insert. The previous owner i.e. the dad
Or did the watch have this insert for years prior. Thanks for the info. Bill
Rolex 6542 example
Borrowed this picture from Stefano who always is a great resource for the Rolex GMT. Observe the Rolex crown in this example and the hands. Just as a way for you who has the watch in your hand to look for similarities. Bill Photo credit : Stefano Mazzario...
Ummmmm.....Am I the only one here that sees this dial is fake?
Not only is the bezel AM, but the dial is a fake as well. Probably bought both of them from the same vendor in Vietnam.
you are not alone ... LOL LOL LOL
dial and insert are obviously blatant fakes. case ( if genuine ) is from the beginning of 1958.
Bill, having sensed something amiss with the dial...
was just being polite in saying that's likely a fake LOL Gosh, you folks have amazing depth and knowledge ! Am pleased to find such standard here too !
I tried to give some examples of a correct dial to show something was amiss
I was looking for others to join in the conversation. We are all here to learn. The original poster was looking for some thoughts and was not pretending otherwise. So as with a puzzle we draw attention to the missing parts and then hope that people go thr...