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Sure, I definitely didn't refer to the obvious titles, affiliations, etc. in an automatic signature -- I agree that eliminating everything, especially in a professional setting, would go unnecessarily in the opposite direction! :-)
By "folks who include their full CV" I meant that I literally see people who, after name, title and affiliation, start listing a bunch of honors, prizes or the like, reaching a comic 5- to 10-line automatic signature! As a personal standard, that is what I find *way* too odd 
I mentioned that in jest as it came to mind in reference to "Poincon de Geneve" and "Winding System" on the face of the watch (though the context is of course different).
For instance, my own signature, which I haven't changed since I became full prof. in 2016, includes 'Name, PhD' on first line, then below is my title (which is 'Professor of Mathematics,' so prof. obviously goes in too), current affiliation, email and professional webpage. That's considered quite standard, and perhaps necessary when you communicate with a broad range of folks or organizations in a professional setting.
Honestly, I'm not particularly concerned that someone (older than 5) may get offended by my signature because they didn't get the same degrees -- I never meant that either! [Incidentally, while I got my PhD at age 26, my first PhD student graduated at the AMAZING age of 23 (!) with a great thesis in partition theory that opened up a totally new area....so even PhDs are not all born equal! ;-)))]
[Incidentally, while I got my PhD at age 26, my first PhD student graduated at the AMAZING age of 23 (!) with a great thesis in partition theory that opened up a totally new area....so even PhDs are not all born equal! ;-)))]What I never do is signing off as 'Prof. Name' above the automatic signature (in lieu of my name only), including when I write to students, secretaries, etc.. I know colleagues who do that and I'm not questioning their choice, but just my name (first and last, where necessary) again sounds more balanced.
Hope this answers. This could actually make for an interesting topic of discussion (perhaps on TimeOut rather than Roger Dubuis! ) since I bet that the answers would be VERY different depending on country, profession, maybe even social setting, age, etc.! Cheers.
) since I bet that the answers would be VERY different depending on country, profession, maybe even social setting, age, etc.! Cheers.
Less is more, people….
I think we all have individual pet-peeves in this hobby, one of mine is superfluous writing on the dial. Here’s a good example, RD felt the need to write WINDING SYSTEM right below the rotor. I thought for a while about why they did this, and I think the ...
I agree with you. I don't understand excessive writing.
And "winding system" is just plain dumb. Excessive writing on a dial or movement makes me not want to buy the watch. Unless, that is, it's a Superlative Chronometer, Officially Certified....just kidding. Not a fan of that either.
Maybe, just maybe
It's so that potential owners don't return the watch to be serviced thinking something is broken, they sure do know their client base well
Richemont is butchering the brand...
They could easily print money by bringing back the original Dubuis designs and quality. They could charge $$$ for it too. The pieces are all in demand second hand. They should take a page from what LVMH is doing with Roth...really well executed.
You're talking about Richemont
the group that will do anything BUT the most logical thing
umh not sure about that..they repositioned at an higher price
with automotive etc. collaborations and they seem to be selling well. I think the grandfather watches should not be revived. Demand is not that high for these models. Virtually have brand has the classic models. I also fear that the enthusiasm for classic...
lol wat
Look at auction results, complete opposite of what you are saying... I dont know about LF, but older Dubuis is 100% up YOY
Auction results are never an indication for future business
For a successful auction, it is essential to have at least two bidders interested in the same watch. The early Roger Dubuis watches were produced in limited quantities, resulting in a scarce supply and a slight increase in demand that can potentially driv...
I think I'm "bothered" more by 'Poincon de Geneve' in full display, but I probably get the broader point... Sometimes this excessive writing is simply insecurity -- it reminds you of those folks who include their full CV in their email signature! ;-))
However, for instance Rolex (likely THE eminent exception here) seems to do it more as a nod to tradition....so my level of tolerance, or at least perception, depends a lot on the actor Cheers.
That is part of the name, "Patek Philippe Geneve," and it needs to go somewhere -- the whole signature is in fact on the bezel :-)
The 5131 was the first modern, in-catalog WT enamel series, and given that the dial was busy enough, I don't mind this more original touch... I know that others prefer the more recent choice to have the full signature on the dial, as we see today on the 5...
You know, I had to look it up…..
But, if anyone is interested, the fruit came first. They named the color after the fruit. 🍊🍊🍊😀
interesting point about email signatures
Apologies for going off-topic here. I might be one of those people who include my degree abbreviations after my name in professional emails. But it makes me wonder, is it really about insecurity for the writer or the reader? I mean, if someone has earned ...
Sure, I definitely didn't refer to the obvious titles, affiliations, etc. in an automatic signature -- I agree that eliminating everything, especially in a professional setting, would go unnecessarily in the opposite direction! :-)
By "folks who include their full CV" I meant that I literally see people who, after name, title and affiliation, start listing a bunch of honors, prizes or the like, reaching a comic 5- to 10-line automatic signature! As a personal standard, that is what ...
You know, for the longest time I referred to myself as Dr. NickO, PhD….
in my email signature, LinkedIn profile, website, bio and resume / CV. However, eventually I had to stop. Apparently, you’re supposed to actually be a doctor or hold a PhD to use those titles. 😳
Very interesting points ! 👏
First off, I have to say I'm really impressed that you got a PhD in math at 26. Like most law grads, I'm not so great at math, except for basic arithmetic when I'm buying a watch, haha 😅 I'm glad you didn't mean just listing short titles in email signatur...
I shall pose the question
I am privileged to have been invited to the Roger Dubuis manufacture on 15 May and will ask them the question. I do agree that less is more on a dial and I am not just referring to the writing but to everything. A cluttered and illegible dial takes the be...
Frankly Roger Dubuis new models are all skeletonised so
I don't think that the small writing in the rotor is excessive. Also poincon de geneve should be there.
Good to hear a differing opinion! 👍🏻
I don’t think the writing is excessive, I just think it’s unnecessary.
may be..I am not a watch designer so
I cannot pinpoint the exact reason for their decision to include that feature. However, I observed the rotor in a model some time ago (though I don't own it), and I found it visually appealing. For me, it emphasized that the watch was not equipped with a ...
It does seem excessive but on my Seadweller with 4 lines on the bottom and 2 on top, after a while you really don't even see it anymore.
It's a funny thing, that if you asked almost anybody, without looking, if their watch is all numbers, Arabic or Roman, all markers, or a combination of both, they couldn't tell you. Something we look at dozens of times a day, and we don't know exactly the...
LOL, and then there’s these guys…..
Greubel Forsey are the Masters of Text. But at least they put most of it on the back of the case or the side. Again, I’m not a super fan of this, but I respect the engraving skills…. ...
This looks like the identical movement without the aforementioned WINDING SYSTEM
Now, I’m not a large enough RD connoisseur to know which came first. Did they add the WINDING SYSTEM or remove it?? 🤔 ...
