LOL, and then there’s these guys…..

Apr 29, 2023,15:47 PM

Greubel Forsey are the Masters of Text. But at least they put most of it on the back of the case or the side. Again, I’m not a super fan of this, but I respect the engraving skills….

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Less is more, people….

 By: NickO : April 28th, 2023-23:31
I think we all have individual pet-peeves in this hobby, one of mine is superfluous writing on the dial. Here’s a good example, RD felt the need to write WINDING SYSTEM right below the rotor. I thought for a while about why they did this, and I think the ...  

I agree with you. I don't understand excessive writing.

 By: vitalsigns : April 28th, 2023-23:47
And "winding system" is just plain dumb. Excessive writing on a dial or movement makes me not want to buy the watch. Unless, that is, it's a Superlative Chronometer, Officially Certified....just kidding. Not a fan of that either.

Maybe, just maybe

 By: Arronax : April 29th, 2023-00:29
It's so that potential owners don't return the watch to be serviced thinking something is broken, they sure do know their client base well


 By: FabR : April 29th, 2023-01:50

Richemont is butchering the brand...

 By: m2 : April 29th, 2023-01:43
They could easily print money by bringing back the original Dubuis designs and quality. They could charge $$$ for it too. The pieces are all in demand second hand. They should take a page from what LVMH is doing with Roth...really well executed.

You're talking about Richemont

 By: andrea~ : April 29th, 2023-07:50
the group that will do anything BUT the most logical thing

umh not sure about that..they repositioned at an higher price

 By: christianch : April 29th, 2023-10:27
with automotive etc. collaborations and they seem to be selling well. I think the grandfather watches should not be revived. Demand is not that high for these models. Virtually have brand has the classic models. I also fear that the enthusiasm for classic... 

lol wat

 By: m2 : April 29th, 2023-15:36
Look at auction results, complete opposite of what you are saying... I dont know about LF, but older Dubuis is 100% up YOY

Auction results are never an indication for future business

 By: christianch : April 29th, 2023-21:55
For a successful auction, it is essential to have at least two bidders interested in the same watch. The early Roger Dubuis watches were produced in limited quantities, resulting in a scarce supply and a slight increase in demand that can potentially driv... 

I think I'm "bothered" more by 'Poincon de Geneve' in full display, but I probably get the broader point... Sometimes this excessive writing is simply insecurity -- it reminds you of those folks who include their full CV in their email signature! ;-))

 By: FabR : April 29th, 2023-01:49
However, for instance Rolex (likely THE eminent exception here) seems to do it more as a nod to my level of tolerance, or at least perception, depends a lot on the actor Cheers.

That is part of the name, "Patek Philippe Geneve," and it needs to go somewhere -- the whole signature is in fact on the bezel :-)

 By: FabR : April 29th, 2023-13:20
The 5131 was the first modern, in-catalog WT enamel series, and given that the dial was busy enough, I don't mind this more original touch... I know that others prefer the more recent choice to have the full signature on the dial, as we see today on the 5... 

You know, I had to look it up…..

 By: NickO : April 29th, 2023-16:17
But, if anyone is interested, the fruit came first. They named the color after the fruit. 🍊🍊🍊😀


 By: amanico : April 29th, 2023-16:19

interesting point about email signatures

 By: christianch : April 29th, 2023-22:16
Apologies for going off-topic here. I might be one of those people who include my degree abbreviations after my name in professional emails. But it makes me wonder, is it really about insecurity for the writer or the reader? I mean, if someone has earned ... 

Sure, I definitely didn't refer to the obvious titles, affiliations, etc. in an automatic signature -- I agree that eliminating everything, especially in a professional setting, would go unnecessarily in the opposite direction! :-)

 By: FabR : April 29th, 2023-23:29
By "folks who include their full CV" I meant that I literally see people who, after name, title and affiliation, start listing a bunch of honors, prizes or the like, reaching a comic 5- to 10-line automatic signature! As a personal standard, that is what ... 

You know, for the longest time I referred to myself as Dr. NickO, PhD….

 By: NickO : April 29th, 2023-23:43
in my email signature, LinkedIn profile, website, bio and resume / CV. However, eventually I had to stop. Apparently, you’re supposed to actually be a doctor or hold a PhD to use those titles. 😳

Very interesting points ! 👏

 By: christianch : April 30th, 2023-14:16
First off, I have to say I'm really impressed that you got a PhD in math at 26. Like most law grads, I'm not so great at math, except for basic arithmetic when I'm buying a watch, haha 😅 I'm glad you didn't mean just listing short titles in email signatur...  

I shall pose the question

 By: sham1 : April 29th, 2023-02:18
I am privileged to have been invited to the Roger Dubuis manufacture on 15 May and will ask them the question. I do agree that less is more on a dial and I am not just referring to the writing but to everything. A cluttered and illegible dial takes the be... 

Frankly Roger Dubuis new models are all skeletonised so

 By: christianch : April 29th, 2023-10:28
I don't think that the small writing in the rotor is excessive. Also poincon de geneve should be there.

Good to hear a differing opinion! 👍🏻

 By: NickO : April 29th, 2023-15:49
I don’t think the writing is excessive, I just think it’s unnecessary.

may be..I am not a watch designer so

 By: christianch : April 29th, 2023-22:05
I cannot pinpoint the exact reason for their decision to include that feature. However, I observed the rotor in a model some time ago (though I don't own it), and I found it visually appealing. For me, it emphasized that the watch was not equipped with a ... 


 By: amanico : April 29th, 2023-11:31

It does seem excessive but on my Seadweller with 4 lines on the bottom and 2 on top, after a while you really don't even see it anymore.

 By: Blansky : April 29th, 2023-14:54
It's a funny thing, that if you asked almost anybody, without looking, if their watch is all numbers, Arabic or Roman, all markers, or a combination of both, they couldn't tell you. Something we look at dozens of times a day, and we don't know exactly the... 

LOL, and then there’s these guys…..

 By: NickO : April 29th, 2023-15:47
Greubel Forsey are the Masters of Text. But at least they put most of it on the back of the case or the side. Again, I’m not a super fan of this, but I respect the engraving skills…. ...  

Both! ;)

 By: amanico : April 29th, 2023-19:29

This looks like the identical movement without the aforementioned WINDING SYSTEM

 By: NickO : April 29th, 2023-20:25
Now, I’m not a large enough RD connoisseur to know which came first. Did they add the WINDING SYSTEM or remove it?? 🤔 ...  

Yeah, why would anyone want

 By: Thomas_3 : June 8th, 2023-17:58
on their watch dial??