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The 5110 is not a vintage watch. It is 10 to 16 years old.
I would be concerned if it didn't come with its paper, the certificate of origin.
Does that mean that the first owner lost the paper? That the watch was stolen?
For a vintage watch, I have no problem to buy it without the certificate of origin. They most often come without, as, in 1950, 1960 or 1970, people were buying watch without getting the interest of keeping the paper ( or the box ).
For the peace of mind, I would go for a complete one.
I always favor peace of mind over pissed off mind.
Best,
Nicolas
Quick question regarding Archive vs Cert. of Orig.
I am about to pull the trigger on one of 2 Patek 5110's from overseas dealers. Both are in gently used example condition, but here is my dilemma one has Archive papers and the other has Cert. of Orig. Price difference of $2000 between them. Should I be co...
Archive papers suggest the watch has been back to PP.
I would think that's as good, or better, than CofO. Maybe even serviced.
That brings a question: What actually does Box and Papers mean?....The "papers" part.
The warranty card, certificate and invoice/receipt from AD?
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No way would I pay a 2k premium for original certificate. Save your money and get extract
That's a fantastic project
I also have the 5110R in my books for the future, even if I have 2 or 3 others I would like to get first down the road. As for your question, I'm really not a vintage buying expert and would say that an Archive extract is perfect for old references (more ...
First of all, Archive paper
do not suggest that the watch would have visited Patek. All what this paper proves is that: - the watch is minimum 5 years old - the owner paid SFR 100 for the paper and sent photographs of the watch to Patek - the Extract from Archives show the year of m...
This surprises me.
Other brands demand to see the watch before issuing Archival papers.
Extract of the Archives.
The only thing the paper proves is that in case the case and movement numbers match, those parts were produced by Patek. Best Kari
Just got my PP Extract under 60 days from order date
Yes, I too was initially surprised that PP does not have you send the watch to a service center. But then I thought about it and PP needs you to send pictures of the movement number and case number which means for vintage watches without display back, you...
It is quite a new thing that Patek wants the movement pictures.
Some two years or so the numbers and tree pictures of the watch were enough. I have the Certificate of Origin for all of my watches but always when the watch becomes five years old, I am ordering also the Extract of Archives. You do not need the papers to...
The 5110 is not a vintage watch. It is 10 to 16 years old.
I would be concerned if it didn't come with its paper, the certificate of origin. Does that mean that the first owner lost the paper? That the watch was stolen? For a vintage watch, I have no problem to buy it without the certificate of origin. They most ...
The COO is irreplaceable.
An extract from the archive is not the same as the original certificate of origin, and will always command a premium, all other things equal. How much of a premium is the question, and that's much harder to determine. You can compare prices with and witho...
Right... but it is a 5110.
Not a 3448, or a 2526, or something that is extremely limited.... Its a modern watch, although a beautiful one, in 20-30 years i really don't think a Certificate will carry much if any premium.
If I understand your point correctly,
Then I think it's exactly the opposite. A vintage watch like the 2526 would not be expected to carry an original certificate of origin, and an archive would be generally acceptable. With a modern piece like the 5110 there really is a penalty for not retai...
Agree, CoO stands above EoA.
The CoO is unique and will not be reproduced, the EoA can be purchased for a bit of money. But in the end, the decision should be mainly triggered by the watch (condition etc.) itself than by the paper.
I will always gladly pay a premium for a watch with the Certificate
not so much because of value or resale issues, simply because as a collector having a "complete" watch is far more satisfying to me. But I should add, that more important is the condition of the watch. I would rather have a perfect watch with the Extract ...