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Agree, Karim, nor fair nor nice
But the Perfect world doesn't exist, and I don't see how someone can trust in a Guy he doesn't know at all, or perfectly, when he wants to buy such a Particular Watch as a Panerai Vintage, a Rolex Vintage, or a High End and expensive watch such as a PP, or a Grande Complication...
Even if the seller has the watch with him, what can guarantee you that the watch works well, is not in bad condition, and is really complete without nothing missing?
More generally, how can you trust when you don't know?
Of course, there are some very nice guuys who sincerely and honestly want to sell their watches, and this is not fair for them...
A Well known Guy from the Community, a serious Dealer, a great AD, there are much more possiblities than taking the Risk to deal with an unkown person...IMO.
Yes, the bad thing is that when you want a watch, you don't only have to make your homework on a watch, but also on the seller...
Very bad, veeery sad, indeed!
Best.
Nicolas
Strange things occuring in Collectors Market....
I saw someone by the name of TURBOALE selling a 5970G for a wonderful price but he's using AROLEX's photo. I responded to that post to inform him that the photo belong to a fellow purists and in minutes, that post disappears. Is that a scam or something? ...
Even stranger
If you Paper trail ( Computer trail ) he shows recent sales of a 5970 and a 5070. The Ad you are referring to is up again as of 3 pm : 5970 for 123K
the 3pm ad is not the one....
He has another ad with picture of Arolex's watch. I told him that and it immediately becomes PRIV status. In difficult time like this, strange people are lurking around. Scary. *CL
This is the ad you didn't see.....
market.watchprosite.com the guy has quickly withdrew it when I question him. Yuo can't see this ad in the CM anymore but I still have the link. I only want to alert everyone when he withdrew the ad immediately. Very Suspicious. *CL
Same seller posted same 5970G on TZ
He gave me these refs: watch u want (oj) usa Audemars Piguet Boutique Bal Harbour Shops, 9700 Collins Avenue FL 33154 Bal Harbour United States t: +1 305 864 6776 f: +1 305 864 6252 (oren) usa westime in socal Audemars Piguet Boutique ginza(amanda) japan ...
not the same guy
hi there i am alex shen, and i am the one email you those, but not the same guy try to sale the pp5970, i am in socal, and my cell is 626 6889977. thanks alex
My communication with Turboale
I was rather curious about his 5970R, and wondered if someone could possibly be offering one for a price that just seemed too good to be true. He explained that he saw that another 5970R priced higher that had not moved, and that he lowered his price, so ...
just noticed 5970G now ...
I just noticed that now he has 5970G being offered for an incredible bargain. But, he has no photos. Eric von Schonberg
Gentlemen, we should take the opportunity to improve the CM...
... as we have a moderator in forums, we should maybe have a "Supervisor" in the collectors market, that would have a black list , that would spot the hustlers from their posts, that would also, and that is very important, help the newcomers how to proced...
Karim, this is not fair, nor nice, BUT
The Golden Rule is " to buy the seller ", when you consider buying a nice watch... Yes, the price will be less interesting, but peace of mind is priceless. Personnaly, I will never buy from a Guy I don't know OR who is not well known. If this rule is resp...
you have a point... But not fair nor nice
... to send money to someone and waiting for a watch that you will never see. You have a point in what you are saying ( buy from who u know only ), but this logic has its limit, and the limit is when anyone can enter this community. Its a market place, an...
Agree, Karim, nor fair nor nice
But the Perfect world doesn't exist, and I don't see how someone can trust in a Guy he doesn't know at all, or perfectly, when he wants to buy such a Particular Watch as a Panerai Vintage, a Rolex Vintage, or a High End and expensive watch such as a PP, o...
nothing beats a face to face deal i guess :)
internet and forum are jst a way of getting in contact with ppl, the 1st step. 2nd step, fix a meeting Plus we are talking about watches, nothing beats looking at it, playing around with it, checking it with our own hands, that pushers are clicking as the...
Interesting proposition
Hi, Interesting proposition, but you'd be careful not reverse the problem: showing and delivering the watch expected, but not being paid!! Not easy and simple! Cheers Dje
Hey all, I have just banned TURBOALE from our forums
With the many complaints about TURBOALE and his fishy auctions, along with warning notices posted on other sites, I've decided to ban him here. Regards, Anthony
improvements?
I was just wondering if there could be any improvements to the whole CM? I know this might sound wacky/out of place, but, i seriously hope that PuristPro would be able to offer additional services. E.g, Buyers would transfer money t the PuristPro Trust Ba...
As for revisiting how CM works,
that could take a lot of time and even then, it may not be fool proof. What seems to work, so far, is having each one of us PuristS on the lookout for scams such as just happened. After all, this is a Community and like any other community, WE are our bes...
No free lunch in the world, except... :)
...at PuristSPro. Bob, you have a point, in the 1st part of your post. I fully agree with you about the the community concept. Still there is always improvement that can be done. Check my post above, and you see that some ppl are completly lost. About peo...
Yes, we can all be thankful for the Free Lunch
we get from this PuristS site. But that is exactly my point. Because it is free, (and who doesn't like free things, myself included?) everyone can cash in. There is nothing wrong with free enterprise that this forum offers but, again, because it is free, ...
Your welcome Bob, actually all that brainstorming is to improve...
... things and make it a better place for all of us to share our passion. Sooner or later, when you grow, some issues comes up. You become naturally forced to improve some things. I'll give you an example based on what Nicolas suggested, that if we all bu...
I like your Silver, Gold, Platinum idea, Karim.
That sounds great. The higher the number of watches LISTED, the higher the category you are placed in and the higher the contribution to PPro. And I say "listed" and not sold because if someone lists 20 watches, well, then, that is the price they have to ...
Bob, the in-house PPro tech team has been working on something for CM
I can't give out specifics yet, but we are working on something and have thought about what you've mentioned for quite some time. Regarding how many ads someone can list in a single day, 5 watches max. There however is no rule on how many watches you can ...
I just want to clarify that TURBOALE is NOT turboalex
So please do not get confused between the 2 names. I've had email conversations with turboalex in the past, and this Alex is in southern California as he has stated in this thread already. I'm posting this here as a bottom reply so it doesn't get lost in ...
Alexss
There is a guy selling some watches in the Colectors Marketplace that sounds suspiciously like this guy. How does one follow up? Anyone can circumvent a ban on being in this forum that way