F.P. Journe

The seller isn't telling you a lot if he says this is a new watch but sold without the usual things a new watch comes with.

I have a cb from the first year of production and it came with similar box and accoutrements to the CS you are looking at. The two other Journes I bought from 5 or so years back came with full large wooden box and everything.

FPJ is moving to even more upscale than it already was, I can't see them cutting back. Maybe other folks here can confirm.

I’m now confirming the provenance with Journe HQ, and I assume it’ll check out just fine. But even if it does, I’m very particular about getting the full package (with all ‘accoutrements’) and this may just erk me and ruin the entire ownership experience.
I’m guessing you never asked if the warranty is transferable, and I hope that you never end up needing to sell your watches. But I may end up in a situation where I need to sell, and I don’t want to end up having to do a lot of explaining
Have a good weekend

I don't remember about the warranty, so I didn't comment there, my apologies.

As an FYI for another people wondering the same question: the warranty (and warranty extension) are transferrable 

If the watch is in good condition and keeps time accurately, the pricing fair,  having the box, warranty card and some papers, it already makes a quite good package.

That being said, life is unpredictable and tastes change; I’d hate to be in a position where I have a lot of explaining to do
Besides, that large wooden box is just so so nice 😍

I'd say you are getting adequate insurance that it's genuine.







If you are happy with the watch and the deal, why not?

The seller didn’t strike me as one to misplace those sorts of accompaniments, and isn’t claiming that he lost them. That’s just what was given to him. The issue is that in our discussion, it became clear that all his other timepiece acquisitions included him ensuring that it was a complete package and getting extra paraphernalia on top. So the fact that he didn’t with this piece seemed out of character
But as long as Journe confirms that it’s his and that the warranty is transferable, then I shouldn’t have too much to cry wolf about. Is that what you are suggesting?

I have never traded an FPJ, but in my many experiences in trading in watches to get other ones, I have found that the first thing dealers ask for in many cases, before even looking at the watch, is the guaranty card surprisingly. Then the watch, finally the box. In many cases, the box I had was genuine but not the exact one for the particular watch. No big deal. As long as you have a geniune box, regardless of big or travel size or whatever, that is the main point. Those other items (USB, cloth, wallet, etc.) are all peanuts, or to put it more gently, "icing on the cake", but add no value. While you are not sure of selling, you never know what the future holds.
If the watch is genuine, if the watch guaranty is genuine, if the box is genuine, then the deal sounds worth serious consideration.
Those small items don't add up to anything AFAIK. And also make sure that the sellier is "genuine". That's the thing to watch out for IMO since it is a private sale.
The only concern I have is if this is a long-distance transaction and you cannot see the watch in person. Often times, private sellers go to a boutique
together and try to get some kind of confirmation about authenticity. Good luck. It's a beatuful watch at a more than beautiful price, so continue to do your homework
until you feel good about buying.

I checked the watch out in person, and examined the dial, case and caseback with a loupe. It checks out (it’s not like it’s easy to produce counterfeit FP Journe timepieces…I think)

I think the seller got a NOS from the AD. Based on the box and card type, this piece should have been shipped to AD before 2017, but it never got sold or registered until 2021.
All pieces from Journe after 2017 are coming in the small square box.
Hope that helps answer your concerns.

Was there a leather wallet and polishing cloth in the package of pre-2017 watches? Hoping you know.

I believe there was no leather wallet with this packing. I think your piece is quite early based on your card type, But I can't tell exactly without the serial number.

Thanks for your help

Be patient.  Watch store inventories are rising as demand is slowing down from its all time highs.  

my patience is close to running out. And the local Journe boutique has no shortage of billionaires courting the management and sales staff at all times. So I’d say my chances are slim
But I do agree that the markets are softening: hence this proposition at a non-egregious asking price
Let’s see

It is very obvious that some missing parts (even the cloth) is bothering you. So it is possible that after the acquisition you won't be pleased. The fact that you are considering a sale/trade already is not a good sign. 

Some inkling of connection with a boutique, it would be unlikely to get a piece at msrp.

I used to visit with the the LA boutique staff frequently back in 2015-2017, but the staff have been replaced and I moved thousands of miles away.

. I lived by this rule for 20 years. And i never wanted to break it. But a neighbor and close friend has slowly influenced me to consider "changing my ways". after all, this particular proportion was being offered at 7% above MSRP+VAT

…sorry for being late to the thread. I just read through it and don’t have much to add from what has been said.
It sounds like you have already established that the watch is not stolen and that manufacture warranty will cover you. Condition is satisfactory. Those are the most important points.
Regarding the missing items. The cloth. I’m sure they will give you one for free when you visit a boutique. The USB only holds a copy of the instructions manual that you have received in print. You Can download that exact file from the webpage. I don’t see any value in that. I also have the suspicion that this is an older production date due to the box (which is correct) and the printed manual. A Journe boutique will be able to provide you with the production year if you have the serial number.

and I found it in my bag 😅 I had a chance to buy a Journe in 2015 from the boutique (I think the same model) but I passed and today is pretty much impossible. That's fine but I wouldn't pay over MSRP no matter what, no matter which brand. This is rule #1.

Believe it or not, the collector himself gave me the same advice: “buying an expensive luxury watch has to be a complete experience, so if this is going to be an incomplete experience, don’t buy it from me”
So, I’m ok with that. However, it’s hard to come by second hand platinum journes in my locale, and I don’t travel much. And I won’t be buying any watch sight-unseen anymore. Which is why I was second-guessing moving on this piece
I’ll keep you updated
Quick question: is it normal procedure for an AD to have struggled to sell a pre-2017 platinum CS (based on the warranty card) until late 2021. Anywhere else, it would have flown off the shelf by late 2020 at the latest.

And I agree. Never, ever buy unseen. It have been burned so badly in the past as well. I know how it feels. So, no it will not be easy to find an other one.