No flaws on this one.

A watch to take everywhere and wear on all occasions.

Some would say a must have in one's collection.

Best regards,

George

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that they won't be seen much on other wrists if I am interpreting correctly.  If this is important to you I would consider the Chopard if you like the design as much as the Omega.  I would guess there are a lot more people in Denver wearing an Omega vs a Chopard.  Chopard may not have the history of Omega, but they make very good watches that are more exclusive than Omega, at least in the US.  You can't go wrong with either choice.

 

Stewart

Hi Glenn --

Sorry to be late to the discussion, but you might want to consider the attached, which with a bit of a courtesy from your AD (including optional bracelet) will fall within your budget:

The Vacheron Overseas SS/TI is my daily wearer, and I absolutely love it!  Comes "stock" with grey leather and rubber straps on deployant, but (in my opinion) hits its stride with the great Maltese Cross bracelet that you see in these photos.

Have fun choosing!

Best,

Gary G

What I like about the Vacheron Overseas is that it is everyday functional with the large date display.  I also like the Omega Speedmaster and the Daytona 16520 (Zenithed)

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As best I can tell, that Chopard uses a 7750 variant (please correct me if I'm wrong). To my mind picking up a Chopard with that movement would be missing the mark.

I'm not a big believer in the supposed superiority of the coaxial escapement, but it is unquestionably a point of interest and Omega seems to have been able to achieve good results with it. I also have positive impressions of their in-house chronograph movements, so that one would be my choice.

_john

ei8htohms,

Thanks buddy!

You are right: I have pointed Glenn to the LUC Chrono One in the thread below.

 

Regards,

MTF

royal oak chrono and royal oak offshore chrono also fall under 15k  so does the linde wederlin spidospeed, which you wont see in dever but youll probably encounter in aspen or vail, in an extremely satisfying "in the know" way because linde wederlin has a lot of credibility in the watch world, despite being created by clog wearing Danish and not Swiss Keebler elves .

my forum colleagues are being kind to you about your choices in the omega -not the moonwatch- speedmaster and chopard. but you posted on this forum so you are looking for experts to set you straight, not useless platitudes about getting whatever catches your neophyte fancy.  50 is young these days, you can reasonably expect to wear this watch for thirty years.  Do you want to risk buying the wrong watch and having to live with it for thirty years? 

Gary's post about the vacheron was somewhat helpful but it is coming from a guy with a lange datograph (among some other extremely nice pieces) so he can afford to take a few risks with his sports watch and no one is going to question his watch taste.

Since it seems like this will be your only nice watch, I definitely would stick to something safe and classic.  unfortunately safe and classic runs counter to rare and unique, which also seems important to you.

[safe classics]<----rolex daytona-----------royal oak offshore/royal oak-----------linde wederlin spidolite---->[more unique]

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try my absolute best to stay neutral on brands, and I do admire LW marketing efforts, even applaude their social media exploits...but i really dont see much more beyond a design excercise and clever marketing. it does not mean that LW are not collectable, now or forever. and time will tell. but surely there are much more venerable brands, with longevity to boot. you mentioned 30 years to live with the watch choice...you have confidence that LW will be around in 30 years, or even relevant after 3? also the current Spidospeed sports the new Concepto chrono, which IMHO, has yet to be proven as a reliable caliber. 

Whilst Gary has a varied and celebrated collection, and he may be "permitted" to take chances with his sports watch purchase....if you read his post, it is his daily beater...his consideration would surely be beyond "just the sports watch". and knowing Gary, i have absolute confidence in his choice and recommendation, in this case a VC Overseas. for the record, i have one too, and though it is not my prefered choice, i absolutely understand why Gary would recommend one.

I am, however, totally alligned with your recommendation of the AP Royal Oak, perferably either in 15300 or 15202 guise though. will reply to Glen in a separate post under. I really like your linear "safe classics to unique" model, which i think would make a great topic for a new thread and poll.

Best,

Horo

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...although I am not certain how or why it was called into question in the first place!

I think these photos say it all.  Linde Wederlin came up with arguably the greatest design innovation in chronograph cases since the casio g-shock.  Its a beautiful and unique design with functional and technical merit.

You use the AP ROO Survivor, when I recommended the AP RO regular chrono...not even the ROO. So your basis of comparison is erroneous. In fact, I specifically mention Royal Oak, NOT Offshore. And using the Survivor out of a full range of ROOs itself is suspect, there are better offshore references.

And if you think sunken chrono buttons is a great design feature, you are mistaken, IMHO. I have seen and tested the LW, and I didn't like it. It may look like great design, but is a pain to use, esp if u activate it with your thumb. Nails get caught. Also please notice the relatively sharp angles of the half crown guard.

Again, when it comes to design, everyone has their own taste, so I shall leave it at that. But forget not that design is just but ONE consideration. Like I mentioned in my earlier post, the Concepto movement is still relatively unproven. And LW is a relatively young brand, whilst AP is one of the oldest manufacturer.

And like you, I want would like the thread starter to have a good starter watch for that amount of money, with some safety built in. And on most counts, the LW fails in that respect. You yourself created the linear line chart comparing the LW to Daytona, highlighting conventional to adventurous.

Best,

Horo

I think we can agree to agree on the  audemars piguet royal oak chronograph.  This watch is good from the beach to the boardroom and I would even wear it at a nudist resort.  lots of dials to choose from, but I would pick the panda version.

Horo, your point about the recessed pushers being hard to manipulate is a good one and I can see how it could be an ergonomic issue for some people, so the LW spidospeed is not the best recommendation.

 

 

I'm not quite sure what your point was about the VC Overseas and my watch taste!  As Horo notes in his message farther down the thread, this watch is my daily wearer, not an occasional specialty sport watch.  Also, I sold off a bunch of watches, including various sport and chrono pieces, and only chose this one as my primary daily watch after a lot of consideration of pieces including the RO, Daytona, and many others.  At this point my only other "sport" watches are a 1960s  vintage Omega Ploprof (now that one could be considered a "risky" daily wearer) and a Hamilton T-Touch that was a gift from my wife...

The VC overseas is a risky/more adventurous choice for a daily wearer.  This is true regardless of how much you personally love it.

VC overseas is based on the Vacheron 222, the misfit of the big four (AP Royal Oak, Patek Nautilus, IWC Ingenieur, Vacheron 222) luxury sports watches that Genta designed in the 1970s, the vacheron has many of the stylistic features that are Genta signatures e.g. integrated bracelet, overdesigned prominent bezel, etc. but it was the last of the four chronologically and you can tell Genta was running out of creative steam by the 222.

Of the four, the vacheron 222 has always been the least popular among the european/greek tax evader/public pensioner crowd that is the target demographic market for 15-30k steel luxury sport watches.

Currently, Royal Oak and Nautilus each speak to a different type of man.  Royal Oak is for the manly industrial robot look with its exposed screws and geometric angles, which is why its marketed to racecar drivers and people who want to be racecar drivers.  Nautilus is for the elegant nautical sailor yachtsman with its porthole look and graceful curves.

Who does the VC Overseas speak to?  The best I can come up with is somewho who doesnt want to be a racecar driver or sailor.

As for the watch itself, it has some questionable design features.  The steel and titanium mix, did VC need to save weight on the bezel?  and they used the SOFTER metal, titanium, for the bezel, which is the scratch magnet part of any watch.  And how about that big date shamelessly copied from the lange datograph (a richemont sister company)

I can understand the VC overseas chrono as part of a collection when one feels the need for something different from the more popular Royal Oak/Daytona/Nautilus, but I cant recommend the overseas to a guy as his first and only luxury watch.

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,,,but you can recommend a Linde Werdelin?

You are certainly a fellow with strong opinions, aren't you! I just took a peek at your posting history here and realized that you are the same guy who was busting my chops on the "authenticity" post -- which was fair enough. I actually thought you made some decent points there in amongst some that I found less compelling, and in fairness I did feel that I was verging pretty close to blow-hard territory with some of my introspection on that topic.

However, I feel that by the same token you have a tendency to verge pretty close to troll category with the way that you express some of your opinions, especially for someone with 26 total posts here. Perhaps we are a bit too genteel here from time to time, but the civility of the discourse is a strong point of the forum.

Just for what (if anything) it's worth...

Best,

Gary G

gary, ive read a lot of your posts using the find all threads started by user function.  your posts have high production value/editorial quality.  I also respect your process as a collector and appreciate that you share your personal thoughts.  I believe the authenticity post and the state of the collection posts are two of the highest trafficked posts on purist.

what I value about this forum is informed discussion (or debate) from erudite collectors such as yourself.

I dont reply to the threads where someone posts a picture of the new watch they just bought and the entire thread is filled with posts like "great watch", "beautiful", "nice pictures"

which is a great watch. With your budgett, I would also consider the JLC Master Chronograph, which I find the most appealing of the steel chronos in this range.

Have fun picking,

best

Andreas

its a really great looking watch even if it isnt a moonwatch (thats the handwind model only). a lot of watch for the price.

G

The VC is dressy (a bit a la Daytona), the Speedy is ready for flight, and the Chopard is waiting for the race to start.  Decisions, decisions....    ^_^

I am with our esteemed Art and Nico...Speedmaster it is! 

But if you are still open to suggestions, I have to give a nod to the Daytona (I don't have one) or the original Speedmaster Professional (Moon Watch)...

Congrats on your upcoming milestone!  young 50!

The speedmaster is my first choice but I can't deny the appealing design of the Chopard.

I am distinctly "on the fence" about the Rolex Daytona...I can't say why but it doesn't capture my heart like the others.

 

I've got a few months to go yet until the big event and I will have opportunities to look at more watches in person since I will be traveling a fair amount between now and then. 

 

Does anyone know a good AD on the Big Island of Hawaii?

Glenn,

 

Although you are attracted to the Chopard Monaco Classique Chronograph 2008, you probably need to consider the Chopard LUC Chrono One with LUC movement as suggested by ei8htohms .

The previous posts and technical details are in the following links:

chopard.watchprosite.com =

chopard.watchprosite.com =

 

 

It has the advanced feature of being a fly-back chronograph that is not found in your other choices.

The stainless steel version is  a Limited Edition of 500 pieces so it will be quite rare.  It is also made by people who care about quality of all things in life, chronographs and even vintage racing. This is a watch for "In the Now" as well as the Future.

 

Sure, the Omega is a nice wristwatch and they have a history back to 1848 but a Chopard LUC is a 'timepiece'.

Chopard is no tyro in the watchmaking busiiness either as the company was founded in 1860.

 

Misquoting James Bond from the movies: 

Vesper Lynd: "Is that a Rolex?" 

007:  "It's an Omega."      Not so impressive, huh?

 

Glenn: "It's a CHOPARD Chrono One!" 

Now, we're talking.........  Do you feel it, yet? 

 

Finally, the USD 15k budget is within striking distance for this model if you shop around.

 

Regards,

MTF

 

Declaration:

I have no shares or stocks in Chopard S.A. 

Even though I was a former moderator of the Chopard forum, the current Mrs MTF and I continue to put our own money into the company.......er.......the products.  hehehe

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Great photos, too.