Patek Philippe

Need the members help in making a decision. I have the opportunity of trading my 5960P for a Doublesplit Platinum. I have weighed the pros/cons and come up with the same problem. I like the robust aspect of the Lange since I have a larger wrist. I like the 5960 for its functions. I wish the Lange had at least a date function. Will the Lange hold its value like the Patek? Both pcs are beautiful IMO and possibly you can offer me some advice. What would you do?

Recently, I was looking to buy a datagraph and chatted with a few Lange owners. I am not sure why this is the case, XXX

Getting away from price, my inclination would be the 5960. I think it is a classic Patek with nice history given it was, i believe,  the first automatic chrono (will someone put me straight there if i am wrong).

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This message has been edited by Dje on 2009-07-19 09:21:27

XXX    However, the 5960 is just a chronograph with annual cal (yes, the first PP automatic chrono mechanism), but is just that. Double Split on the other hand, is just something really unique, a true milestone in horology. Besides, who needs actually a calendar having cel phones? . If you like the looks, I would definitely go for the double split.

Regards
Martin

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This message has been edited by Dje on 2009-07-19 09:22:09

You could also wonder who needs A WATCH having cell phones... ;-)

... especially if u have a big wrist. That watch has a very strong presence on the wrist. The patek is not a perpetual calendar. Its a nice watch though but very far from the Lange. I find the dial of the Lange stunning, even if ur right, there is a date missing, but so what...The hands are also very nice, and the proportion of the case ( much more proportionned than the regular dato )
If u still have doubts, jst turn the watch around and have look with a magnifiar to the movement
Only thing is that if ur really tired or bored of it, and had a crush for the Patek, in that case only go for it, and dont think about the long term investment, think about the long term pleasure  :P

Karim

P.s:  Btw, ur AD should  give u back some cash on that trade in.

…because I love the 5960P and its calendar.

 

Marcelo

Maybe many will say that 5960 is not the best Patek chrono you can get in the rich Patek chrono family, but it is definitely a combination of true innovation, aesthetics and wear comfort. In addition, I trust Patek much more than a brand owned by a big listed company and managed by a car marketing manager.

Lange makes great watches such as Lange 1, Dato, Perpetual, etc. The Doublesplit, in my very own opinion, is too much, too artificial. In contrast with Doublesplit, the Patek 5959 doesn't leave this impression to me.

If I were you, I would keep the 5960, a true modern masterpiece with traditional craftsmanship. 

In ten years time you and people who see the Patek on your wrist will acknowledge the quality, good taste and classic style of your watch. Lange do make superb watches but there is only one Patek Phillipe. We all suffer from "the grass is greener" effect now and then and that’s what is so fascinating about watches. On a final note take a look at the long term record that Patek Phillipe has at auction and the decision becomes fairly clear cut. I have personally experienced this with my Patek Phillipe that was made in 1952.

Good luck with your decision,

One last thought, why not keep the Patek and buy a white gold Lange "Zeitwerk" now that could be some combination !

 

.... back then, did this Lange Split cross your mind ??  Were you aware of this Lange split exsistance ??  XXX   ??  These are details we dont know of ... ?!  XXX .  Will that be enough clues to help you decide ... ?? 

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This message has been edited by Dje on 2009-07-19 09:24:16

I know this is the Patek forum; but I personally find the double split to be a major horological achievement.

... i got it the other way around. Anyway, i still believe u should trade ur patek for the Lange, XXX

Karim

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This message has been edited by Dje on 2009-07-19 09:25:04

Best chronos and split-seconds chrono should be manual wound calibers, period.

5960P is automatic chrono, despite its novel originality from Patek, that never appeals to me.
So between 5960P and Lange DS, definitely Lange DS.

You should be comparing Lange DS with 5970. Now that's another story...

I maybe biased of course (in fact I never like the dial of 5960P), still make me dizzy.

Larry

Would be for the 5960P

The reason being that although the DS is a fantastic piece of craftmanship. I know that I would hardly ever use the DS complication.

Where as I would always use the Annual Calendar and occasionally the chronograph function. 

Some members say that they don't worry about a watch having the date as they can always look at their mobile.

But not me, a watch needs to have the date. 

Also its Patek 1st in house chrono movement.

For me, XXX , I would choose the Lange. That movement is a piece of art! The finishing is amazing.

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This message has been edited by Dje on 2009-07-19 09:25:51

it REALLY boils down to what you expect either of these watches to do for you OR give you. If you are only being tempted just because of the possibility of getting something, walk away as you will regret it. You forked out a sum with all the accompanying emotions of buying a watch/5960P shows that you really like that watch. If you didn't, you probably wouldn't have done that.

The DS only came about due to this potential trade. Whilst I personally like the DS a LOT more, I fear that doing this deal will end up in regret for you. Just my two cents on the matter.

besides it is very difficult to make money on a watch- so buy/keep/trade the one that YOU like the most and will enjoy wearing.
At the end of the day- that would be the best buy

Cheers

5960 all the way.  Dont even think twice.

Hi there,

First of all,i dont know you at all.Therefore,your knowledge,passion and approach are blind to me.In my opinion,if you are a practical person talking about value and cents and would wanted something for reading date and time,like wise retain your 5960.

But,

If you have gone a step deeper into the world of watches,talking about movement,finishes and artisan.Then i would say go for the DS for the enjoyment sake.

Just my thoughts....

BHK9

Even though I prefer smaller watch, DS will provide alot more enjoyment to me. And personally, I see it possibly being a rare beast in future.
*CL

I have a 5960P and have also "toyed" with the DS many many times.  IMHO, another deciding factor will be whether you will wear the DS.   It is not an easy watch to be worn but if you can wear it comfortably on your wrist, I would say go for the DS.  The DS will give you much much more joy over the long run.   Look at the manuel wind movement and play around the split second function (though you may not need it), you will find the DS is more unique and probably much more difficult to build.  This is speaking from a purist perspective of course and I hope I will also own this piece some day as well (need to save up big time) .......  On the other hand, the 5960P has its own special merits as a collectable item, in particular, if you are a pate fan. 

James 

This is not apples to apples.  I love Patek, but the Lange DS is a much more desirable watch.  Is it as wearable?  Maybe not for some.  But examine one of each in your hands and play with the chrono functions, and if you are after horological appreciation you will see there is no contest.

Brand loyality to Patek is one thing.  The better watch in this case is completely another.

But the choice you have is, to me, between aesthetics and horology.

Aesthetically speaking, I would go on the 5960P, for its beautiful dial, then also because the size is more modest more easily wearable.

Horologically speaking, there is no doubt, the Double Split is above.

Compare what is difficult to compare, but the DS is more complex, in its construction and in the Chronograph complications.

At the end, a difficult choice, but whatever would be your decision, you won't go wrong...

Just try them both on your wrist, and your heart will tell you...

Best,

Nicolas

The monkey is off my back and I can continue to admire my Patek many years from now.

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but if it was the Datograph Perpetual then I would go with the Lange.

Tony

Don't hesitate to post an ad in the Collector's market!  Thank you for your understanding. Dje

This message has been edited by Dje on 2009-07-19 09:29:58

1) I LOVE that Lange
2) I would never trade the functions of 5960 for 30 minute chrono (albeit split)