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Patek 5960/1A-001 Advice Please :)
Inspired for the upcoming novelty I went to try the Patek 5960/1A-001 (mysteriously one of the most available models in the Patek catalogue!) and I am looking for some opinions. I know that Kari is a big fan (and that is a bit of guarantee 
) I like the bracelet that is very comfortable. I am also trying to justify the price tag with the complications of an annual calendar + chronograph that I think is only available in steel or Platinum with leather strap.
) I like the bracelet that is very comfortable. I am also trying to justify the price tag with the complications of an annual calendar + chronograph that I think is only available in steel or Platinum with leather strap.What do you think ? Could this be a great daily watch and dare I say an almost "final" watch ?
Thanks in advance for the advice
Christian
It's nice, but the black dial version being released at Basel 2017 this week is much more to my personal taste. [nt]
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yes...i agree
with the white dial, it doesn't work for me. With a black dial....yes that is more cohesive for my taste.
of course is good to have new versions too..but dark to me kills the sport factor in a way. [nt]
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I like this white dial better, but will be better in leather strap. When I spoke to Patek sales at the Geneva salon in Feb...
they strongly advised not to change to strap as that will void the warranty, saying the watch does not match description etc...
For your case, no problem since you like the bracelet.
I also saw this one display at Munich last June, so maybe its a good contra play and possibly ADs are willing to off load at a good price accommodation.
STEEL (Still), if history books are right, SS Pateks are a good thing.
This 5960/1A white and the 5235/G are nice additions.
Rgds
Raymond
thanks Raymond..good advice ! I don't...
plan to change the strap and I am checking re: getting a good dial. Somehow I like more the white dial (I have a nautilus white) because it feels more sporty and legible. Still thinking about the price/value here
Christian
The description on the COO will be different, just like many items purchased new....
the warranty will be void if you alter something.
I'm not sure how they can tell if you the bracelet back beforesend to service.
Rgds
Raymond
really?
If i had a problem with a watch movement in warranty that they refused to correct because I had changed the strap, I would be furious.
I just don't believe this is correct.
I just don't believe this is correct.
This info was from the Geneva salon...I quoted the example from 5960/1A bracelet to strap...
5960/1A does not have a strap in their catalog...Aquanaut is ok because it's an option.
For other watches, from one strap to another strap, my gut says it should be ok but you can verify.
For other watches, from one strap to another strap, my gut says it should be ok but you can verify.
In fact, it is quite simple
As Raymond said, if the watch is significantly modified, Patek is warning that they may not accept to deal with the consequences. And I think that's normal.
Of course, if you change your bracelet to strap and go back to bracelet for a servicing, as long as they have a normal 5960/1A in their hands for the service, there is no problem.
The thing is that in the real, people may change the bracelet, make a scratch or hairlines, damage the lugs' holes, attach the strap the wrong way and make the watch fall etc... For instance it is suggested that you avoid combining two different materials in case of frictions (like a strap steel pump in a gold lug's hole as it will widen the hole).
I can understand that a brand doesn't want to deal with this sort of issues. PP does this to prevent any wrong use of the watch as some owners can do what people here would not.
That's just a kind of safe warning in order people pay attention to what they do.
I imagine it may be the same for Rolex if someone changes the dial of a watch.
Otherwise, if the owner does things well, they won't see it and the warranty will be still valid IMHO.
Best, Mark
"significantly modified" is the issue here....
....I have sent sevreal watches for service over the years. I sent one that originally came on a white gold bracelet. I still havethe bracelet but the watch is always on a black leather strap. I sent it for service on the leather strap. Not even a blink of an issue.
I may be wrong...maybe with this 5960 the removal of the bracelet represents a "significant modification".....but I find that hard to believe STILL!! Sure, if the movement has been messed with etc etc. But even then, my 5110Y had been messed with on service once...I sent it to Patek and they told me it had been messed with and they put it right.
I may be wrong...maybe with this 5960 the removal of the bracelet represents a "significant modification".....but I find that hard to believe STILL!! Sure, if the movement has been messed with etc etc. But even then, my 5110Y had been messed with on service once...I sent it to Patek and they told me it had been messed with and they put it right.
it makes sense to me...I wouldn't change the bracelet! it what makes it special but...
of course I know that some owners liked on a strap. Still to be the bracelet is super comfortable. If it was on a strap I wouldn't consider it at all..
Hmm, how is the subdial read?
There are 60, 30 and 12 rings, but only 2 hands in that subdial.
My apologies if It's super obvious!
My apologies if It's super obvious!
I don't know :) they explained it to me a bit but I think I didn't get it right..may be some owners
can cast some light on this
In fact you can look at the chrono hour hand
if it is on the first half of an hour, you will read the minute hand that shows between 0-30 minutes. If the hour is in the second half, it is the other minute scale.
Best, Mark
The hour hand moves continuously. On the first half of the hour, the minutes are 1 to 30. On the second half read the 31 to 60 minute scale. So the minute hand makes two complete revolutions per hour. [nt]
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Just my taste, not a fan
I find the dial to lack the elegance of the other versions (plat, rose, white gold moscow).
I am certainly not alone. Market speaks loud and clear. The fact is the majority of collectors simply do not like the watch and that is why supply far exceeds demand and pricing is so weak on it. I know many collectors and I do not know anyone personally in my collector friend circle who actually loves this watch.
But I guarantee you for every watch the brand makes, you will not have a hard time finding one or two or three or four people who like it, sometimes even ones who are notable collectors.
And in the end if you like it, you should get it! Just because the vast majority of people do not like it should not dissuade you from following your own heart and taste
All the best.
I am certainly not alone. Market speaks loud and clear. The fact is the majority of collectors simply do not like the watch and that is why supply far exceeds demand and pricing is so weak on it. I know many collectors and I do not know anyone personally in my collector friend circle who actually loves this watch.
But I guarantee you for every watch the brand makes, you will not have a hard time finding one or two or three or four people who like it, sometimes even ones who are notable collectors.
And in the end if you like it, you should get it! Just because the vast majority of people do not like it should not dissuade you from following your own heart and taste
All the best.
agree ...the taste is very individual on this piece and it might not be appreciated by all..
to me it doesn't matter but I like to get some advice and see the different opinions.
Difficult to say...
I have the steel version with white dial and the platinum version with black dial. I wear the steel watch at least 10 x more than the platinum 5960. In the end I find it as an asset that one can wear the steel version either with strap or bracelet.
White or black dial in the steel version is a matter of taste.
Best, Kari
I think that it is a great watch.
I have ended up wearing mine more frequently than I originally thought that I would. I personally prefer white and have had some legibility issues with Patek black dials in the past. Of course that is a matter of personal preference.
As we speak, I wear mine. The P does not get much wrist time and
depending the offerings in Basel, I will consider the new black dial 5960/1A.
Best
Kari
great feedback Kari..
in face this is pretty significant for someone with such a great collection to wear this more than others. For me this is the main concern right now, to get something that I would wear a lot
thanks
Christian
I liked when you said that this could be the "only" watch..
of course is a bit of a myth but being so comfortable (and practical) it might be a good idea for a watch that will see a lot of wrist time.
I had some problems with my 5960/1A.
I could not take it out of my wrist. Since I bought mine, it has taken more than 50% of the wrist time and often I have even forgotten to change the watch when dressing to conservative business attire. I would be happy just having 5960/1A. In an ideal world that plus a swimming watch type Rolex or Nautilus plus a dress watch.
Best, Kari
I think the 5960 is an excellent complications combination
I like how infos are displayed, its wonderful case etc...
The A versions are definitely very different from the previous Pt and rose gold versions.
The white dial, to me, is the sportiest and has this very unique "racing look" the black dial doesn't have.
The black dial is indeed different, still sporty but not at all the same spirit.
Hence, if the white dial speaks to you, it is for the best.
Two things I focus on when dealing with the 5960/1A: the sport spirit and the bracelet. Thus, if both suit your tastes, that's a great watch to get.
Best, Mark