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Significance of Tiffany dial Patek
Hi everyone
What's the significance of a Patek with the Tiffany and co on the dial.
How much value does it add to the watch .
What's the significance of a Patek with the Tiffany and co on the dial.
How much value does it add to the watch .
Here an article which could help you
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/interview-thierry-and-sandrine-stern-share-their-thoughts-on-the-tiffany-co-anniversary-watches
Best wishes
Alkiro
Best wishes
Alkiro
That's a beautiful Nautilus version to enjoy
the rose gold and strap 5712 is a very different watch from the steel ones. Is this one yours?
For your question, there was a post dealing with it on Purist before summer. Hard to find the exact definition but it seems that Tiffany can make printed their dials but they are not all printed that way. So maybe for some models or clients? I don't know more.
Some retailers have their dials printed sometimes but I imagine only if allowed by Patek.
For the value, though we don't discuss value on the forum as it is a very subjective matter and prefer focussing on the watches themselves and discussiong about our passion with fellow friends, it is impossible to say. Some like, some don't. Maybe auctions results can give an idea.
Cheers, Mark
For your question, there was a post dealing with it on Purist before summer. Hard to find the exact definition but it seems that Tiffany can make printed their dials but they are not all printed that way. So maybe for some models or clients? I don't know more.
Some retailers have their dials printed sometimes but I imagine only if allowed by Patek.
For the value, though we don't discuss value on the forum as it is a very subjective matter and prefer focussing on the watches themselves and discussiong about our passion with fellow friends, it is impossible to say. Some like, some don't. Maybe auctions results can give an idea.
Cheers, Mark
5712R
Yes this is my 5712R.I wasn't looking for a Tiffany dial but this one came up by chance
Tiffany printing is purely a matter of taste.
According to Tiffany, they are allowed to put their logo to all other Pateks except Grand Complications. Still they sometimes, "by accident", print also the Grand Complication; mostly perpetual calendars.
Some people like Tiffany logo and are willing to pay more. But does Tiffany logo influence to the value - I do not see how.
I have 5167A with Tiffany dial and I enjoy it because it reminds me about our nice trip to Hawaii from where I bought the watch.
Best, Kari
Some people like Tiffany logo and are willing to pay more. But does Tiffany logo influence to the value - I do not see how.
I have 5167A with Tiffany dial and I enjoy it because it reminds me about our nice trip to Hawaii from where I bought the watch.
Best, Kari
There are a lot of collectors who collect "Tiffany Pateks" and will pay
a significant premium especially if "Tiffany" is printed on the dial. It is important to distinguish between vintage and modern.
Regarding vintage, many retailers were allowed to have their name on the dial. Cartier and Tiffany dials are the most highly prized double branded dials. But we should further differentiate between time only and complicated vintage. There seems to be a much greater interest (and premium) for double branded dials in complicated watches such as perpetuals. The retailer's name in the moon phase register IMHO balances out the dial. Recent auctions include 2499 Cartier and 3448 Tiffany. If you look these up you will see a major price differential.
In modern, other than a special edition, eg Wempe anniversary annual calendar, the only name that can appear on dials is Tiffany. While some people dislike the double branding or consider it neutral at best, I think you will find with minimal research more about how Tiffany affects asking prices. I understand that 2 57111/As are coming up at auctions this Fall. It will be interesting to see what the market says through bidding.
I have purposely avoided being more specific about values to hopefully not transgress Forum guidelines, but I do think double branding is a very interesting topic. While value is always interesting, what is even more interesting is collectors' views on aesthetics, because regarding investment value, watches should be above all else an investment in one's enjoyment of a coveted watch.
Best, patekova
It is the madness of the exhaustive search for exclusivity
On a vintage watch, okay yes, I can accept the argument that the additional retailer branding or state symbol (think of the Khanjar) sets the watch apart even more and so there is a premium for it. You will not find it being made anymore obviously and it is a very, very low number in existence (you don't need more than your own hands to count) on top of the fact that the regular model was not produced in huge quantities. So it is truly exclusive and rare. Think of the steel Nautilus 3700/1A where there were about ~3500 total produced in its lifetime. There was a steel Nautilus 3700 with the Beyer branding that was bonkers recently this past summer because it was thought there were less than 10 of them.
On a modern watch where the production is continuing and the quantities are vast, I agree it is a matter of taste and in 10-20 years, I am not sure collectors will covet them the same way as with vintage pieces. I would guess Patek produces as many 5711/1A watches in one year as it did with the 3700/1A throughout the 1970's & parts of the 1980's. I think if you have an emotional connection to the modern watch with the additional branding like Kari's holiday memories, it is the only way that makes sense.
On a modern watch where the production is continuing and the quantities are vast, I agree it is a matter of taste and in 10-20 years, I am not sure collectors will covet them the same way as with vintage pieces. I would guess Patek produces as many 5711/1A watches in one year as it did with the 3700/1A throughout the 1970's & parts of the 1980's. I think if you have an emotional connection to the modern watch with the additional branding like Kari's holiday memories, it is the only way that makes sense.
Thanks for your reply Joepeny!
You mention 2 additional important factors in addition to the aesthetic value (or not) of having co-branding.
One, exclusivity. Take 5711/1A, relatively (to demand) low productions then add Tiffany" and it is far more exclusive. An extreme example of this in vintage is 2499 made in 349 examples over 35 years. Add "Cartier" and !!!!!!! Many collectors want something that sets their watch apart and makes it highly limited or unique.
Two, a close association with Tiffany or a particular sales person there; or fond memories of the specific purchase at Tiffany (maybe having been purchased on a fabulous vacation, or in celebration of something.) Then you seeTiffany on the dial and that warm feeling returns.
Best, patekova
So, I wholeheartedly agree with you!
Best, patekova
I've heard not much at the boutique.
However, yes it's a matter of taste. I was told the higher end complications will not have this because there simply is not enough room on the dials too.
No real value on modern Pateks
As anyone can take their watch purchased from Tif and get it printed on dial. Thus can easily be common. On vintage timepieces it could add value.
No added value for me.
Some like it, but for me it's a deal breaker. Don't care for the co-branding at all.