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Went with the M5

 
 By: zellster : June 28th, 2014-15:35
When the lease on my 2011 M3 sedan expired, I went with an M5 with the following specs.  I haven't pushed the engine too hard yet, but it is a noticeably softer ride.

Very nice!

 
 By: patrick_y : June 29th, 2014-12:46
Very nice!  Great color combination and selection of options.  I actually really like the aluminum trim.  

No need to push it hard, just enjoy it for what it is.  The engine I find is very quiet, this M5 is really a very docile and normal luxury car, unlike the E60 M5 which was really a car with a rather ferocious personality trying to be on its best behavior, never quite civilized in town.  

The F10 M5 I'm sure is quite capable when pushed aggressively.  I had the pleasure of driving one in downtown San Francisco for a short duration.  Wasn't really able to open it up as I didn't want to be rude to other motorists nor break the law, but I have to state that I really enjoyed the transmission and the heads up display.  

Thanks for sharing.  Overall, how do you like the M5 compared to your E90 M3?  I really LOVE that engine in the E90 M3.  Great engine, great sound, and a great driving car.  The E90 and E92 M3 drove exceptionally well, both around town, and on the open country road.  That's a car surely to be missed.  

Thanks for sharing the specs!  

New M5, older M3

 
 By: zellster : July 3rd, 2014-12:16
The configuration was a luck of the draw, as the closest M5 I could find was in Nebraska.  The M5 does feel noticeably bigger than the M3.  The manual recommends not testing the engine much for the first 1,200 miles but that is now behind me.  Time to play with the M1/M2 modes  smile.

The M3 was fun to drive especially the handling, but I always felt that the the low-end torque was lacking.  I would be be curious if anyone has driven both the M5 and the 550, and preferred one or the other.  Strangely, I seem to spot more M6s in L.A. than M5s.


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Driven them both...

 
 By: patrick_y : July 3rd, 2014-16:00
They're actually extremely similar, the 550i is a tad bit less responsive initially during the start but a very very fast car (445 horsepower).  The M5 is even faster, has an even nicer interior, and has the nicer transmission, but otherwise the M5 is very similar to the 550i.  The current M5 is a very civilized M5.  Very much tuned for comfort.  The previous V10 one could beat you up on bad roads and around town (very stiff and head tossing transmission).  This one is much more comfortable and much faster.  

The previous body style of 5 series; the E60 545i & 550i were very different from the V10 M5.  That M5 was difficult to drive around town (mainly transmission), was very stiffly sprung, and was also much noisier when the 545i/550i were very quiet and calm cars.  The 545i and 550i (when equipped with Sport package) had active roll suspension, which smoothes out the ride by preventing body lean in curves (this is now known as "ARS" on the current 5-series and is a far less common $3500 option) that the M5 did without.  The active roll suspension is a 7-series technology trickle down; it works by having a motor twist the anti-roll bars in the suspension to prevent the car from leaning in the curve.  It's a fully active technology, not a passive technology, but it doesn't take into account everything; for instance if the banking of the curve is unusual for the curve, the computer probably doesn't take that into account.  Someday, there will be a stereo camera that will be mounted to communicate to the car's suspension computer.  The system designed to increase the handling limit of the car, but at the same time really reduces the feel (and the satisfaction) from the driving experience.  Porsche has the same technology now called PDCC (Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control) and some purists and magazine editors have stated they don't prefer it even though it does contribute to significantly faster lap times.  So, overall the difference between the 545i/550i and M5 was quite substantial in 2004-2010 model years, but in the current 5-series iteration, the gap is much less substantial.  
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M versions

 
 By: ED209 : June 30th, 2014-22:06
Thanks for the report Patrick.  I'm not so sure of the styling of the new 3 and 4 series with the side coves.  I wonder if BMW is going to bring out a M3 or M4 convertible?  Are you planning on getting one of these?
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M4 convertible yes.

 
 By: patrick_y : July 1st, 2014-03:05
So, the M3 will represent all the sedans and station wagons.  It is unlikely they'll build a station wagon at this point.  So the M3 will be just the sedan.  

The M4 will be the coupe and the convertible.  It's not going to be available in the "Gran Coupe" though due to roof-line issues.  

No plans yet to acquire one.  Although I already know what color and options I'd get it in if I were to get one.  

When the car first came out, back in 2012 as the 3-series.  I said to myself that I found the design strange, it looked more Scandinavian to me than a BMW.  I've driven a few 3-series rental cars of the latest iteration and I have to say it is one fabulous machine.  When I drove that car, I said to myself I genuinely almost don't feel the need to drive a Porsche or a Corvette anymore.  This car is THAT good.  You should try one out Ed.  Such a good car.  Not the most lively steering, and the throttle response from a standstill isn't perfectly timed, but otherwise the car is fantastic.  The balance and the handling of the car is truly among the best.  And the 4-cylinder engine in the 328i is shockingly fast.  
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Never ever...

 
 By: jeffreysaul : July 1st, 2014-04:20
would I pay over list for any mass produced object like a car. If I were in the market for a Ferrari or some other very limited production vehicle maybe, but certainly not a BMW. To my knowledge the production run is not limited. Just m pinion...

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I agree! [nt]

 
 By: patrick_y : July 1st, 2014-10:03
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I'd love to get one of these new M4's

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : July 1st, 2014-10:06

but I think my heart is set on getting the Ghibli as my next car even though I know it won't drive as well.

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What about the Ghibli attracts you?

 
 By: patrick_y : July 1st, 2014-10:09
Why are you interested in the Ghibli?  You said so yourself, it doesn't drive well.  And being such a small car company, Maserati probably doesn't have the R&D department like Mercedes-Benz and BMW has.  Also, the safety of the Ghibli is probably not as good as the Mercedes-Benz and BMW equivalents.  

There's an M4 looking for you!  The car's thinking, a tall guy with a Panerai watch would look good in me.  
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Basically I want to try something new

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : July 1st, 2014-12:27

Never owned a Maserati before too.

- AT

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They are beautiful machines...

 
 By: patrick_y : July 2nd, 2014-01:42
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I can see the appeal.  

Hmm, in fact, a Panerai looks even better in a Maserati.  
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Aaah, the Ghibli... A magic name for a magic car...

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2014-10:22



I would have loved to see a true modern iteration of this car, I mean with two doors only...
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€ 105.000

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : July 3rd, 2014-16:35
USD 143.000 is what the m4 will cost you in The Netherlands. Without options. So that price you show us looks actually quite good to me!
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No country gets cars cheaper than the US...

 
 By: patrick_y : July 4th, 2014-00:58
Since they're such a bargain in the US, you should buy one here in the United States.  When you're not using it, I'll drive it around, and after it's a year or two old (and heavily depreciated), ship it back to The Netherlands with minimal import duties.  

In general, the identical cars across the globe are usually the cheapest in the United States.  

The M4 will cost more in Germany than it will in the US.  
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