You compare apples with pears...

Hi Hoi,

I think you compare apples with pears...

You can not compare a handwound Tresor with a "Constellation de luxe " which was one of the top range watches

within the Constellation line only topped by the "Grand Luxe" version!

You should compare "regular" handwound gold watches with the Tresor line - then you will see (better feel) the difference.

(There were also few automatic models, all of them with well sculpted cases, sometimes with special shaped lugs.)

The Tresor watches (mostly) are heavy with "hefty" 18K gold cases and beautiful de luxe dials with massive riveted

gold hour markers and solid gold hands (not only plated).

They are the luxury watches besides the Constellation and SM lines - why do you think are they called "Tresor"? (in French for "treasure")

IMO poor men´s watches are all the gold capped and goldplated (goldfilled) versions, e.g. de Villes and the later Geneve watches (not to be mixed up with the EARLY ones which were a top line!).

When people could not afford an 18K solid gold watch they chose these much cheaper versions.

kind regards

Erich

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Tale of two Tresors

By: aroma : August 12th, 2011-02:40

I have a lovely 1950 18kt gold Tresor with a cal 283:- I was browsing the other day and came across this identical one from 1951 also with a cal 283:- I was intrigued not only because it is virtually identical to mine but also because it is supposedly a '...

The second picture ....

By: Franco : August 12th, 2011-04:29

...obviously refers to a normal cal. 283 watch with a dial which does not belong. May I ask why you call them Tresors? THanks Franco

Tresors is.....

By: tdn.dk : August 12th, 2011-07:05

If you use the Omega Vintage database 62.73.172.171 and search on "Tresor" there will pop up 26 Omega Tresor models. Best Thomas

Re.

By: aroma : August 12th, 2011-07:14

Hi Franco Tresors (which, translated I believe means 'Treasure') were produced in mainly 18kt gold (although there was one model in 14kt and one model in Steel) from the late 1940s to the early 1960s. It was a model range much the same as Seamaster. In th...

I doubt that there ever was a calibre 283 rated chronometer

By: georgeszaslavsky : August 12th, 2011-08:58

Never heard nor seen a 283 rated as a chronometer. It is a frankenwatch for me. best regards georges

I seem to remember one of Bill's .....

By: Franco : August 12th, 2011-09:21

..... was rated chronometer - Bill Sohne showed one 283 to me with swan neck regulation and Omega documentation regarding chronometer rating. Hopefully he will chime in and show it again. Apart from that, no 283 was rated chronometre (although on eb*y oft...

And here is Bill Sohne's post on the 283 Rg

By: Franco : August 12th, 2011-09:26

omega.watchprosite.com

Just read Bill's post..........

By: aroma : August 12th, 2011-09:52

and it would seem that there are chronometer 283s BUT this Tresor in question is 1950/51 with a 12.4 million serial number - Bill's examples I think were much later. Also, it is not an Omega case - it is a Dennison so there is no Omega case ref to look up...

Two replies to two separate questions

By: Franco : August 12th, 2011-13:10

Hello To the question: 1- Is this "tresor" with mov. 283 and Dennison case really a chronometer like the dial says ? I would say : "No, it is just the dial stuck to this watch, a dial taken perhaps from a 351 or something else. To the question: 2- was any...

I have read about 283 chronometer rated...

By: mac_omega : August 12th, 2011-13:14

As far as I remember I have read about 283 chronometer rated movements but I do not recall the source. I remember quite well the fact as I have a watch with chronometer case and a 283 movement inside - so I thought of requesting an extract from Omega to f...

Tresor watches were...

By: mac_omega : August 12th, 2011-13:08

Hi Andrew, IMO "Tresor" watches were not meant to be poor men´s watches - it is the opposite way - they were meant to be top of the line dress watches besides the SM and Constellation line. Most of them have larger and very heavy duty cases, most executed...

Poor man gold watch.

By: hoipolloi : August 14th, 2011-06:31

Hi Erich. I think it's a "poor man gold watch" if you compare it to a "rich man gold watch" like a Constellation 18K solid, I remember Mike (MSN) wrote about it somewhere with the same idea that the Tresor's were for the......"Tresor was a lower priced go...

You compare apples with pears...

By: mac_omega : August 14th, 2011-08:06

Hi Hoi, I think you compare apples with pears... You can not compare a handwound Tresor with a "Constellation de luxe " which was one of the top range watches within the Constellation line only topped by the "Grand Luxe" version! You should compare "regul...

I think it is a matter of perspective

By: MSNWatch : August 17th, 2011-08:08

Tresor is a high end gold omega for less affluent markets and the connie is a high end gold watch for the US/Western Europe. If the tresor was sold in the US/Western Europe, it would be considered midrange at best - below constellation, seamaster and gene...

Re.

By: aroma : August 18th, 2011-02:30

I am not quite sure about Tresors being targeted at the less affluent areas of the world as they seem to have been marketed with Connies, SMs and Geneves (at least in Western Europe anyway – I don’t know about the US). I can understand that the Tresor wou...

The tresor

By: MSNWatch : August 18th, 2011-04:34

never came from the omega factory fitted with a chronometer tested/rated movement AFAIK. They used the same movements that were chronometre rated in connies and seamasters such as the cal. 354 but they did not come in chronometre guise for the tresor. The...