Oct 04, 2010,06:58 AM
... The Black Seal isn't a controversial watch?
Is it really a Pre Vendome watch, or was it really made by Pre Vendome?
I would like to know more about this watch, as I found no serious information on it till now...
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Let's come back in the Past: What's your favourite Pre Vendome Watch?
By: amanico : December 23rd, 2020-16:45
There were several Holy Monsters created by Officine Panerai Firenze from 1993 to 1996. The 5218- 201 / A so called Logo: The 5218- 202 / A Marina Militare PVD: The 5218-203 / A Luminor Marina PVD: ( I don't know who to credit for this superb pic ) : The ...
my holy grail will be
By: patrickh : October 4th, 2010-04:06
The 5218- 202 / A Marina Militare PVD. Followed by the Mare Nostrum with a smooth bezel (not sly) I expect Panerai will re-produce these 2 models, MN in wearable size (not 52mm) and also a small Egyptiano. Thanks Nicolas for sharing all these beauties Bes...
A page has turned, Patrickh.
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-07:09
These watches can't be released again, sadly. The 360 is maybe the closer approach to the Pre V world, indeed. As for new releases, a small Egyiziano, or a Mare 47 mm would also make my day. But this is the Future, not the Past. Best, Nicolas
Hard to pick just one
By: Nicko16 : October 4th, 2010-04:33
The 5218-203 / A Luminor Marina PVD for me. I like the smooth Mare Nostrum as well
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-07:12
I think any of them would be a jewel in any collection, well, at least in my opinion. I loved a lot the 2 watches you mentionned. Great choice! Best, Nicolas
For me, the logo is the winner...
By: i_am_Sam : October 4th, 2010-04:40
I love the simplicity of the dial.. Only "LUMINOR PANERAI" and the logo.. Combined with the fat tritium index.. Simple yet stunning... Next will be the Marina Militare 202/A.. The simplicity is close to the logo.. Only it is using MARINA MILITARE wording ...
Well, Sam, I had them all ...
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-07:17
And I completely tend to agree with you on the Logo. Exactly for the reasons you mentionned, + the fact that it was, with the Mare and the MM, the first ones to attend the re birth of the brand. But the Logo, and the one I posted, which happens to be mine...
I enjoy hearing special stories on watches people own..
By: i_am_Sam : October 5th, 2010-01:58
It makes the watch so much more special.. And if in the future I will have the opportunity to get the logo myself (Im day dreaming here), I would want to buy it on a very special ocassion to make a special watch much more special. I see that your logo is ...
Matching versus non matching, it is all about taste.
By: amanico : October 5th, 2010-02:05
I would say that I prefer a non matching dial in a PVD case, and a matching dial in a non PVD case. But I had several times the possibility to see both of the Logo, matching and non matching, and I can tell you that what matters is to get the Logo, and wh...
I like it the other way around...
By: i_am_Sam : October 5th, 2010-06:49
I like Non-Matching on the logo and Matching on the Marina Militare.. But this is only my judgment from the pictures... I've only seen the matching Logo.. I hope to be able to see them in metal side by side... Cheers, Sam
One of them was too special to me, this one had something more...
By: PoyFR : October 4th, 2010-05:40
I seem to recognize it ;-) (picture below) Recent time flies. Already it is about some 14-17 years ago, unwanted marvels then, today almost unreachable jewels for most, they all generate special emotions to all their owners. My pick, truly all of them.
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-07:19
This Logo is familiar to you, my friend. Still at home, or better, on my wrist! I think it will be the last Panerai to go, because of its special story, because it is a friendship watch, and because of its owner! Best! Nicolas.
well well well
By: Ares501 - Mr Green : October 5th, 2010-09:18
to go!!?? can you please wrap it up for me :0) Best Damjan
By: p@trice : October 4th, 2010-06:58
... The Black Seal isn't a controversial watch? Is it really a Pre Vendome watch, or was it really made by Pre Vendome? I would like to know more about this watch, as I found no serious information on it till now... Best Patrice
Hey Patrice, the wolf is out of the wood. :)))
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-07:23
I know part of the full story, but wait we are lucky one of our esteemed member did many of the legs works, let me phone him to get him to post it It is an amazing and very interesting story, and I think he's the only one in the Panerai Community to know ...
As close as possible to the 5218-218A full story
By: PoyFR : October 4th, 2010-11:44
I hope you will enjoy it. The Black Seal 5218-218A This is no doubt the controversial Pre-Vendome watch This piece was first projected very early 1996, drawn and specified in mid 1996, final specifications in December 1996, re-specified & re-final drawing...
Fantastic bit of info...
By: Aless156 : October 4th, 2010-13:58
that was great to read PoyFR. Really informative and interesting. Lovely watches Nicholas.
Poy's answer is " La Creme de la Creme ", indeed, Aless.
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-14:03
You can search everywhere, these documents have never been posted before. I'm very happy to see that POY accepted to share with us this part of History. Thanks for your kind words. Best, Nicolas
The Slytech Project is the Bible of the Modern Panerais ...
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-14:00
It is clearly stated that 70 pieces were to be made in Gold or Platinum... We know that in 1997, the Pam 21 was released ( 60 pieces in platinum ). Then this document clearly speak about the Dual Time ( GMT ) and the Submersible. We know that these watche...
By: ocwatching : October 4th, 2010-14:36
THANK YOU for the history lesson. Very comprehensive (despite that I can't read Italian)! Thank you so much for sharing such valued info on a very rare bird. the adage "learn something new everyday"
Thanks PoyFR !!!
By: p@trice : October 4th, 2010-15:08
Il vaut mieux un qui sait que 100 qui ... Déblatèrent Best Patrice
What a story!
By: syncsean : October 4th, 2010-21:22
218, not so mysterious anymore, all due to your excellent story. Thks for sharing. Learnt a lot.
Enjoy it ... no ....
By: Ares501 - Mr Green : October 5th, 2010-09:38
I absolutely love it .... for so long long time I craved for this piece of info about "dark horse" of preV What fabulous story!!! What tremendous piece of Panerai history! Thank you for sharing all this Pre-V Panerai jewels with us ... rarely though... bu...
Held this document in hand...
By: jeronim : October 6th, 2010-01:05
D.G. showed me copy(maybe original not sure) would love to know that dr.Vlahovich,very Croatian sure name Best Jeronim
Well it is possible that some people forget their promises...
By: PoyFR : October 6th, 2010-10:22
Hello, I think I know who you are referring to. It is me, a long time ago that gave him a copy! anyway no arms in showing to enthusiasts. Anyway it is better now that it is here for everyone. Best regards to you.
By: jeronim : October 8th, 2010-04:37
sorry if I made some problems,didn't know that was confidiental :-( Best regards, Jeronim This message has been edited by amanico on 2010-10-08 07:29:26
My friend, no worries what so ever
By: PoyFR : October 8th, 2010-07:08
and nothing to worry about, you are not the one who broke trust, and anyway it does not matter... Best to you and your family.
good I didn't make
By: jeronim : October 8th, 2010-07:58
any mess around here. thanks for best wishes,same to you and same for Olimpic Marseille! Y. love that club since you guys bought our A.Boksic not to mention Skoblar Best regards, Jerolim
.... and you are not the only one
By: Ares501 - Mr Green : October 6th, 2010-14:02
maybe it's time for us to find him you never know maybe he have 2 Blackies for us. Pozdrav Damjan
My favourite PreV Panerai's are
By: michaelvl : October 4th, 2010-07:34
1. 5218-202/A from the 1994 batch with matching dial and the same fat numerals as the 5218-203/A. 2. 5218-304/A love the plain bezel.
Luminor and Mare...
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-07:37
A hard to beat Duo! I can perfectly understand you, Mchael. Best, Nicolas
Mine is this,,,,,,BUT,,,,a special one ;-)
By: Asimut : October 4th, 2010-10:17
g A ref 5218-201/A prototype,,,,,, And Nico, if you consider the Blackseal why not consider the blue indices daylight? Cheers Asi...
On,e problem at a time, Asi. :)))
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-10:35
First the Black Seal Slytech, then the Daylight Slytech... You got the one on the pic, Asi? Hope you have great time where you are, with all the other guys! Best, Nicolas.
If I did, would it be a dream?
By: Asimut : October 4th, 2010-11:17
it belongs to our friend DU,,,,,,,,,,I first saw it in 2004 and couldn't forget it since What guys? I am slaving here with no fun at all! Asi
wall to wall agreement on the first part of the story
By: Asimut : October 5th, 2010-04:57
but real fuzzy about the rest.... Story is Stallone received less than 10 pieces of the Daylight (most likely 7) and didn't like the blue on white and therefore returned these to Panerai to be redone with black as subsequently were all Daylights. That's w...
Thank you for the information Asi...
By: i_am_Sam : October 5th, 2010-06:56
It's always intriguing to hear stories about "controversial" watches like this one... The look of the watch is not my cup of tea.. But it is definitely a very unique specimen that has a mysterious charm to it... Best, Sam
LOL Asi about the " Entrepreneur Family " ...
By: amanico : October 5th, 2010-07:08
I never understood anything about these Blue Daylight Slytech... 7 to 11, 11 to 7... Who really knows? YO? One thing is sure, this is not the kind of stuff I woiuld go for. Best, Nicolas
I agree with 7, allow me to add a little more
By: PoyFR : October 5th, 2010-08:04
Sylvester Stallone ordered 20 pieces of the 207/A, he wanted them rapidly (for if I remember correctly his birthday party), Panerai in Firenze arranged to rapidly deliver the first 10 pieces together with other pieces (201A & 205A). On arrival/delivery St...
Funny, POY, I was on to post this scan, too...
By: amanico : October 5th, 2010-08:10
As it came with my ex Daylight Slytech... Whose number is corresponding to those mentionned on the invoice. For sure, an impeccable provenance! Best, Nicolas...
And now, I just spitted my soup! :)
By: amanico : October 5th, 2010-11:51
Damn, POY, I'd better not read your answers anymore! The Ship of Fools... How long since I didn't see it? An eternity! I hope nobody will ask us the story behind this one. Best, Nicolas Tattaglia.
Let me jump in to your boat for a cruise....
By: i_am_Sam : October 6th, 2010-06:42
That is the most amazing panerai collection I've ever seen.. I would like to know what model is the one on the front left, it looks like a 201/a destro... Amazing collection.... Best, Sam
In my case...
By: E.J. : October 4th, 2010-13:49
I´ve not seen nothing like the Marina Militare...is just sublime. And I´ve been so lucky because I´ve admired it on the flesh... thanks hermano. Late, I love the Logo. It represents the essence of Panerai (I think that I´m going to buy tomorrow a 000 or a...
With your Bomba, Emilio
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-14:05
Yuo have a part of the Slytech era! You know it, if you ever consider letting go your Bomba, you know who to call! As for these Pre Vendome watches, they are killer pieces, for sure. Love them all. Best, Hermano. Nicolas
Simple for me Nico....
By: Marc(Cap) : October 4th, 2010-19:42
Gotta say it doesn't look bad with the new models either......
Sublime 203/ A, Marc.
By: amanico : October 4th, 2010-20:38
And in stunning condition, too. I had a nice one in my collection,, and as said before, these Pre V are pieces I regret having let go. Seeing yours makes me thin about mine... Best, Nicolas
That's very beautiful Marc...
By: i_am_Sam : October 5th, 2010-02:04
This one look so similar to the preA4 yet is different. The font and the index are nicer on this one.. I hears that the PVD coating on this particular model is stronger / better compared to the other one? Is that true?? And by better does it mean that it ...
You'd better... :)
By: amanico : October 5th, 2010-11:22
Good choice, and good answer! Best, my friend. Nico in Palermo.
My favorite would be
By: kglaw : October 5th, 2010-23:24
the 5218-203/A followed by the 5218-201/A logo. I think these two would be a great pair to keep.
By: amanico : October 5th, 2010-23:42
Luminor, Luminor Marina PVD, yes, this is a superb Duo. Both of these pieces need some time to be fully appreviated, to feel their strong and charismatic power. You have great taste! Best, Nicolas
By: jeronim : October 6th, 2010-01:12
and my dream is 201A 203A is really military looking tool by far 202A nice dial and font 218A mystery 301A stylish and from Progetto pam 40,that is one gooood looking Marina !!!! Man I love tham all! Best Jerolim
My favourite Duo, Ivan.
By: amanico : October 6th, 2010-03:31
Can't get rid of these 2, my friend. " Il Ritorno de Due Orologi de leggenda ". An historical pair! Best, Nicolas...
It's gotta be....
By: sirjo : October 6th, 2010-05:52
the 202 PVD for me. No particular reasons, to be sure, but that's the model that has me...salivating.... Cheers - Sergio
As said, Sergio ...
By: amanico : October 6th, 2010-10:25
I regret this one has gone from my collection... A spectacular look, indeed with these 4 pretty balanced lines. Yes, this is an excellent choice! Best, Nicolas
By: Gelato Monster : December 23rd, 2020-16:52
Next would be 5218-205 Darkness
By: Gelato Monster : December 24th, 2020-09:53
By: amanico : December 24th, 2020-09:55
A huge +1.
By: amanico : December 24th, 2020-14:32