patrick_y
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The published stats on the 32111 are great! 120 hours power reserve is fantastic! But there are other things that your good analysis didn't consider.
I applaud your efforts! I think you did some thorough research, you probably read all the stats given, but you forgot to ask some questions for the stats that weren't published...
There are a lot of ways to get great stats on a movement, especially a super long power reserve. Especially on a movement that doesn't have an accuracy certification, I can put a huge long barrel spring to give it a very long power reserve. It's just that the watch will run fast when the watch is fully wound, and will run really slow when the watch is at the end of its power reserve. I'm making a sacrifice. The sacrifice of accuracy. And I'm not mentioning any accuracy statistics on the website.
There are a lot of things that aren't considered by the average consumer. Because the average consumer doesn't know what other stats to look for - but they do look at power reserve length and 120 hours is great!
If it really was that easy to get 120 hours of power reserve; why are 90% of Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Breguet, and Vacheron Constantin calibers well under the 120 hour power reserve...
There must be a sacrifice IWC is making. The 32111 is a generic Val Fleurier movement that's probably based off an ETA 2824. Which means architecturally it's probably a single normal sized barrel. I'm guessing the sacrifice is accuracy. It's not beating super slowly, so it's probably made with a really long barrel spring. Which may have poor accuracy results at different states of wind. And if there really is no sacrifice that IWC is making... Then Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, Breguet, movement designers ought to reevaluate why the majority of their movements don't even have half the power reserve (of 60 hours) that this IWC (which has 120 hours) has...
NWA - The bracelet…
IWC have done a great job with this. Much more comfortable and slimmer than the AP RO. ...
Well the watch case is 1.5mm thicker than my 15300 RO
But I’m not sure of the bracelet thickness comparison, but my RO has a thin bracelet from my perspective. If the IWC’s is thinner it would have a thicker case with thin(ner) bracelet.
Arguably could be Gentas best work
The bracelet from this shares the same DNA as the Patek Nautilus and the Bezel the same as the AP Royal Oak.
It's a nice watch! The titanium variant with the polished edges is still my favorite version.
I'm waiting for IWC to put in a nicer movement inside the watch. The very generic movement inside uses an Etachron regulation system, like you'd see in an ETA 2824 or Sellita 300-series. Can't wait for a more interesting movement to be installed.
You're right! The ceramic version has a different movement! Good catch!
I'm sorry. I wasn't clear. I'm waiting for the titanium version to get a better movement! But goodness, that polished and shiny titanium version is awfully appealing to my eyes.
I looked into this a bit, since the topic came up before and I got curious… ☺️
The 82110 (implemented in Fatboyys ceramic Ingenieur) has IWC’s updated Pellaton winding system with ceramic parts – more durable, more refined, and nicely finished (Côtes de Genève, perlage, etc.). You’ll find it in higher-end models like the Portugieser...
The published stats on the 32111 are great! 120 hours power reserve is fantastic! But there are other things that your good analysis didn't consider.
I applaud your efforts! I think you did some thorough research, you probably read all the stats given, but you forgot to ask some questions for the stats that weren't published... There are a lot of ways to get great stats on a movement, especially a supe...
Dear Patrick, thank you so much for your detailed and enlightening response!
I truly appreciate the depth of knowledge and experience you bring to the discussion. Your point about the 120-hour power reserve being more about „marketing language“ was particularly insightful. It really highlights how important it is to look beyond th...
Thank you for your kind words!
I can say with relative certainty that your Blancpain (extremely beautiful rose gold Blancpain) with its 120 hours power reserve is definitely not cheating in any ways! With three barrels, a 120 hour power reserve can be easily achieved without barrel spr...
About the accuracy of the 32111...
It just happens that my Ingenieur (32111) is noticeably more accurate than my BP 43 (82100) easily beating COSC specs. In fact, of all the IWC's I've owned since I started collecting, none comes close to the Ingy's accuracy. Just sayin'... 😉 ...
Another interesting topic that consumers don't think about...
Let's say you get a new watch; it has a COSC rating, or a METAS rating, or some other accuracy rating. This usually means the watch or the movement went to a laboratory for a thorough accuracy test. But after the watch is out of warranty, the rating is th...
Good to know India Whiskey Charlie! Thanks for sharing! Back to the drawing board for me!
Seems likely those movement designers at Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Chopard, Breguet, and Vacheron Constantin all need to take a page from this movement! There's something to be learned here! Your Ingenious is quite new. How old is your Big Pilot 43...
Ingenieur is July 24 and the BP 43 is October 23...
Both have performed the same since new. The Ingy was on my wrist for five days a few weeks ago and didn't miss a beat. Both have an 8-year warranty.
Thank you, Patrick – I truly appreciate your thoughtful and nuanced perspective!
Your analysis adds a lot of technical depth to the discussion, especially regarding the trade-offs in achieving long power reserves in relatively simple calibers. You’re absolutely right: what’s not published often tells as much of the story as what is. M...
I really like that Blancpain!
What isn't said often speaks more volume than what is said. Although I'm admittedly stumped in the case of this IWC caliber. If it's not accuracy, what else could it be?
A lot of suppositions and conjecture….
From what I’ve seen, owners are quite happy with the movement…. So, I think a lot of what you’ve written is simply conjecture and opinion without fact: “ Which means architecturally it's probably a single normal sized barrel. I'm guessing the sacrifice is...
Your argument doesn't seem to hold water very well.
So... An owner's opinion is not conjecture too? Since when are owners experts? An owner's opinion is still just one person's opinion in one period of time and may also be a biased opinion too. Seems like you have a double standard.
There’s a difference between….
first hand experience (which is not conjecture) and “probably / guessing” something (to use your words)…. Not a double standard, IMHO.
You give too much credit to the average owner and to first-hand experience...
How do you qualify first-hand experience? Average owners can't determine accuracy of a watch just by gut feeling alone and not even by comparing to a reference time sporadically. I thought my new COSC rated watch was very accurate. Then I started to think...
So, you're saying that my wearing the watch on my wrist for five consecutive days and witnessing its accuracy is an opinion?
The only opinion is yours when you continually and incessantly bash this movement without first hand experience. You are basing your "opinion" on an assumption that a movement is inferior which I am sure it is as compared to many others (IWC or otherwise)...
Not limited to just IWC
If you google you'll find damaged ceramic cases from many brands Source: sasha320 pistonheads Titanium seems sensible until a better alternative is available ...
Wonderful acquisition!
I’m really excited to try out the new Ingenieur in black ceramic. It looks like an outstanding everyday watch – sporty, sleek, and super wearable. Your piece looks fantastic, by the way – the ceramic finish and case proportions seem spot on. I’m also curi...
