Two Great Watches

Dec 24, 2016,22:29 PM
 



Merry Christmas Purists! I was on night shift not long ago, reading through Hodinkee as I often do and I rediscovered one of my favourite columns, 'The Two Watch Collection'. This column is particular important to me at the moment for two reasons: One is that I do not want to desire too many watches (because of limited means) and the second is that I am loving two of my watches and finding that others that I own, and do not own, don't quite measure up. This is both a blessing and a curse. A blessing because the two watches I love really do mean a lot to me and represent what I love about horology, within my current scope of attainability. A curse because this is a source of of anxiety, I find myself fretting about 'what next'. What watch could I possibly add that will compliment these two fantastic watches? However illogical this may be, I'm sure it's something my Purist brethren can not only relate to, but may be experiencing at this very moment.

An interesting thing about my current watch passions are that they're both wrist watches with pocket watch size movements. When I started my watch journey I was very young. However, it got serious when I actually became capable of buying a luxury watch. At the time I liked larger watches because of fashion, however I purchased a Rolex Explorer 214270 and I was concerned that it was to small. Funnily enough, as I immersed myself more in The hobby I found I preferred smaller watches and lusted after the proportions of the 1016 and the 5 digit serial subs and GMTs. Now my tastes have matured and I have found what I think is my true watch passion. Wrist watches with pocket watch movements!

There is so much more watch to love, more to look at and in my opinion more to be fascinated in. Not only that, there is a necessity to the size, if you want that (larger) movement then the watch has to be big!

The two that I have are the Panerai PAM449 and the IWC Portugieser Hand Wound 75th anniversary edition. I think that on their own these a great watches, but as a pair they become more than the sum of their parts, in a similar way that Ben Clymer said the A Lange and Sohne1815 Chronograph and the Patek Philippe 3970 Perpetual Calendar do.





We will start the discussion of these two watches in the order I purchased them. The IWC 75th Anniversary Portugieser in steel was the first. When this watch was released it was to me everything I wanted from IWC that I didn't even realise they could deliver. I knew little of the history of the Portugueiser and I immediately immersed myself in it. I quickly came to appreciate the rarity and the importance (in context) of a printed dial Portugieser. This atypical configuration also happens to be what I prefer. Applied markers look great, but I like more austere watches. One year later, I came across one on a casual visit to The Hourglass in Sydney and I jumped right on it, I made sacrifices and I managed to make it happen. I never thought I'd get an opportunity to get this watch so when I saw it I didn't let it go. What's so fantastic about this watch is the way the dial grabs me. I often find that when I read the time I get it wrong, because I'm distracted by the beauty of the dial. I end up just staring at it and enjoying every detail and not paying attention to the information that is displayed. I have found myself correcting a time I have written down at work because of I'm busy contemplating the dial!





To contrast this I have the PAM449. The dial of this watch is a polar opposite. I can scarcely imagine a functional watch dial more sparse. To me at least, this is as practically minimal as a watch dial can be. When I'm working, I need to know exactly how many minutes passed the hour it is, but I find that on my own time this is almost irrelevant in a wrist watch. If I'm timing something, I will use my iPhone. Other than that, I only need to know the time in approximately 5 minute intervals. Meeting people, catching a train, managing my time for household chores. In fact, I find measuring time with the dial of my Panerai Radiomir relaxing. I would urge any watch enthusiast to explore this idea.




Dials aside, the most important parts of these watches to me are the movements. Pocket watch size movements fascinate and excite me. Standard wristwatch size movements don't have the scale I take so much pleasure in. The contrast between these two movements could not be more perfect. The p.3000 calibre has two barrels and a large balance wheel with a more traditional 3Hz rate, with an austere finish that many detractors don't like about Paneria. I think this is one of the brand's strong points, because the finish (however basic it may be) is executed perfectly. I find it beautiful. On the other hand, the IWC 8000 series hand wound calibre has a single large barrel (with a whopping 8 day power reserve) and a small balance wheel beating at a more modern 4Hz. The finish is also more elaborate, but like the Panerai, executed properly. I don't think much more could be asked for at this price point. While both the movements are very modern, they reflect different aspects of the tradition of Swiss watch making. They also represent the logical progression of the pocket watch movement into wrist watch cases. I think they both bring pocket watch size movements into the 21st century while still showcasing different styles and methods of watchmaking.

This pair of watches mean a lot to me, and I find myself wanting to wear them more than I do (or possibly could in a week). Anything that I add to my collection will have to compete fiercely against these two. I recently bought a Mk XII and I feel that it won't last that long. I have come to crave a pocket watch for the wrist, and unless I'm wearing my Seiko SRP777 when it is necessary, I want to wear a watch with some size, mechanical interest and pocket watch roots. I wonder if it will be possible to add something to compliment these two watches that provide such a fantastic contrast. I have my cross hairs on a Big Pilot in 2017, I hope that the addition of an Automatic pocket watch size movement will provide just that little bit of variety on the theme that I feel I need for. Only time will tell!


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Cool post, Harry.

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 24th, 2016-22:36
I have often wondered what my "two watch" collection would be and out of the 2\'pieces I already own: 1) Omega 300M master co-Axial - escapement, George Daniels connection; historical pedigree, anti-magnetic technology 2) Glashutte Original Senator Karree... 

That sounds like a plan to me!

 
 By: Harry2 : December 24th, 2016-23:20
I actually think three watch collection is a good idea! That way you get variety but still get to wear your watches a lot and have a strong relationship with them. I have my Seiko \'gym watch\' but that doesn\'t count! I like that pair, the Daniels escape... 

Cheers Harry.

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 25th, 2016-00:16
THe Omega 300SM is awesome. The perfect sports/weekend watch for me. It is probably the only watch I will keep for life, while flipping everything else at some time in future. You can even dress it up a bit, although, it is a bit too sporty for the office... 

It's definitely a good keeper.

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-00:55
I would love to see a Railmaster with the new co-axial movement. I could imagine that being a fantastic watch for me (if I got one without a pocket watch movement). It is becoming an obsession for me.

My guess is OMEGA will be releasing a Railmaster at Basel 2017.

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 25th, 2016-01:39
Can\'t fault you on the pocketwatch movements. I do like them, but unfortunately they usually wear HUGE on my wrist

It's an acquired taste!

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-09:00
It\'s kinda of like when you get to the two dozen oysters stage....

Sorry - couldn't help myself.

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 25th, 2016-11:55
Pic from last holiday in Noosa ...  

Well played!! [nt]

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-12:39

Thank you for this post.

 
 By: Horologically_minded : December 24th, 2016-23:48
It takes a lot of discipline to narrow it down to two watches. If I had to do it (and sell everything, horrors!), I would opt for a high end steel sports watch (nautilus or AP RO) and a dressier watch in a precious metal, perhaps a chrono or calendar comp... 

Hi J.

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 25th, 2016-00:13
I\'ve found that I never wore a more expensive sports watch, so ended up selling the AP RO that i owned. I was too worried about damaging the watch so I never wore it for serious "sports" activities I was doing The Omega 300M, I find, is the perfect sport... 

That's a great combo.

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-00:59
I agree with our friend though. I would steer away from the high end steel sports watch. If money were less of an issue, I would definitely go full steam ahead on either a 15202st or a 5711. I think it\'s a watch to have when you have other watches. Altho... 

True that.

 
 By: Horologically_minded : December 25th, 2016-01:44
SRP777 is definitely a tough as nails watch that can go to hell and back!

I find it to be a very satisfying watch.

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-09:02
It was the watch that drove me to sell my Explorer, after what I call \'the great betrayal\' (when Rolex fixed the hands). The quality is so good and it\'s just such a strong watch with some much value. Also, a very successful interpretation of the origin... 

Very interesting post, Harry.

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2016-00:30
Indeed, I was interested in reading your thoughts about these two watches. The only thing I regret on the Portuguese is the presence of the date. A pity because it is a magnificent watch. As for the Panerai, this re edition of the original 2533 is so eye ...  

As always , I am with you on the date window.

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 25th, 2016-00:35
Ruined that Portuguese for me The GO is a beauty too. I used to own that one. Merry Xmas

I Disagree!

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-00:50
I love the date now! I understand the problem with date windows of course. But I am a practical watch enthusiast. I need the date on my watch, because I always forget!

Hahaha no there is no need!

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-01:00
Differing tastes are the points f these discussions! I\'m glad you don\'t have the same problem as me, and you can have more pure watches!

That is a fantastic watch!

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-01:05
I have to say though, I really really like watches with long power reserves! I can\'t go back, it\'s just so convenient. Plus, I find it very enjoyable.

Oh yes: 5441 is a beauty.

 
 By: Bounce781 : December 25th, 2016-01:37
A bit out of my price range at present - but certainly on the wish list. You and I have very similar (NO DATE!) taste

It seems so. ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : December 25th, 2016-01:41

Go is such an interesting brand

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-00:53
I love their new stuff, including their new movement. What is the reference for this model? I have looked at the GO pilots, but I think they deserve some more thorough research. It\'s a shame that IWC has such a monopoly of the high end market for Pilot w... 

Merry Christmas Harry!

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : December 25th, 2016-00:39
love your post! I feel whilst it's a good idea to stick to 2 watches theme (say a dressy one and one for sports / rougher activities), if we want to get a 3rd or 4th or nth , just go for it lol! That's what ended up with me anyway Cheers Robin

Yea I definitely will!

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-01:02
The question is, what is good enough to join the stable!

Great Post Harry!

 
 By: luca.b : December 25th, 2016-03:16
Looking forward to buying your Mark XII (TIC) haha

Everyone, this is my friend Luca

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-08:56
Hahaha good!

Great post, Harry!

 
 By: KMII : December 25th, 2016-03:21
Always nice to find out about other Purists\' collections and their reasons behind building them that way If you are a fan of pocket watch sized / derived movements in wrist watches, many Purists will tell you how over the moon they are with their Montbla... 

You read my mind!

 
 By: Harry2 : December 25th, 2016-08:59
It is a handsome watch.... I can hear my bank account crying for mercy as we speak! It is such a beauty though, that movement is such a. Work of art. I think I\'d wear it the \'wrong\' (right?) side up! I\'d just have to live with no idea of what the date... 

I believe that one model was made with a date...

 
 By: KMII : December 25th, 2016-09:15
The Vintage Tachydate. Here\'s a link: And a picture: From: Montblanc ...  

+1 :) [nt]

 
 By: KMII : December 25th, 2016-10:02