Testing doesn't result in better accuracy for an individual watch (except to remove it from the herd being shipped out to dealers)

Oct 25, 2019,15:15 PM
 

Most watches, most of the time, most companies (going out on a limb here) are constructed using a combination of mechanized and human assembly of lots of small parts. They might be partially assembled, dismantled, then reassembled, adjusted, etc. The first QC step is having GOOD PARTS!


CONFIRMING DIMENSIONS OF MAIN PLATES (JLC)


The object of any post-assembly testing is to verify that the established assembly process spits out movements that are going to keep time that is "good enough." 

The external testing labs confirm that the movements stay within the boundaries - as far as I know they never adjust anything - then they ship them back to the factory to be cased.

BOXES FULL OF MOVEMENTS WITH TEST REPORTS (Vacheron-Constantin)





On the other hand, JLC is testing an entire watch in its case, to ensure that magnetic and water resistance measure up, AND that the movement still runs well once cased (lots of things can go wrong in casing). I'm pretty sure they test before casing the movements ... just because it's much easier to fix the movement without having to take it apart, ruin a set of good hands, etc.

INSTALLING TEST DIALS AND HAND(S) ON BARE MOVEMENT (Grand Seiko)



MONITORING WITH VIDEOCAMERA FOR 17 DAYS



In any event and in either testing process, if a movement fails to pass its tests (and we don't know how many do), it will not be thrown out in a trashbin, but set aside or sent back so someone can rectify the problem.


If you have a watch that doesn't quite pass you can hand it to an expert who knows exactly what to do to get it to run properly. That takes time and expensive people. If you have small volumes (like many independents) you can take the time time to tweak the watch so it runs properly (if you need to). 

MANUAL CONFIRMATION OF TEST FAILURES BEING NOW CORRECTED (GS)

 


In a larger production setting it's perhaps more economical (and better marketing) to set up programs like the 1000 hour master control process that helps ensure problems don't reach the customer causing bad PR and expensive rework.

So to answer your question, the likelihood of a JLC Master Control reaching the customer error-free is perhaps greater (which is not to say the watch will be MORE accurate) than COSC, if only because JLC are working with the cased movement whereas COSC just gets the bare movement. Accuracy might be the same in both cases.

The more eyes look at the watch (electronic or human) and the more hands touching it, the more likely shortcomings will be noticed. But whether that exceeds the risk of damage from people handling the watch is another question.

To use an automotive analogy - people take the car to a technician and say "It's running rough and the fuel economy is bad, I think it's the fuel injection" when it might easily be ignition timing, or a potato in the tailpipe, or a half-dozen other things.

Cazalea


PRESSURE & TEMPERATURE TESTING COMPLETED WATCH (GS)










LAST SECOND TOUCH-UP OF CASE & BRACELET (GS)






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Manual Wind Chronometers (COSC or better accuracy!) - can we see yours?

 
 By: cazalea : October 23rd, 2019-10:26
Nico was lamenting the lack of manual wind chronometers nowadays. I am fortunate to have three (at least) and would like to see what others have in the collections. Cazalea Credor 18K Chronometer, Glashutte Original 18K Chronometer, BlancpaiN SS Chronomet...  
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Manual Winder! [nt]

 
 By: baufoam : October 23rd, 2019-10:29
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Manual Winder!

 
 By: baufoam : October 23rd, 2019-10:33
I Love the 3970 ! ...  
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Certainly a fine and accurate watch -- certified better than COSC

 
 By: cazalea : October 23rd, 2019-11:54
I guess I opened a Pandora's box with the question asking SHOW ME YOUR MANUAL WIND CHRONOMETER which I have since retitled. (I will blame the initial wording on Amanico). To open the box even wider, only SWISS watches can be COSC certified today, but at t...  
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Wow! [nt]

 
 By: Bounce781 : October 23rd, 2019-13:01
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I've seven, all . . .

 
 By: Dr No : October 25th, 2019-12:37
. . . Omegas. If you include references that were either delivered to military customers with 'special adjustment', or special 18 jewel versions of the 30T2SC movement which many consider as para-chronometers, eleven. Ω ref 2364 / cal 30T2rg: Ω ref 2365 /...  
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It’s all about the ritual...

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : October 23rd, 2019-11:51
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I’ll find an alternative watch for you 😉.... [nt]

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : October 23rd, 2019-12:20
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Here my manual COSC watch

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : October 23rd, 2019-12:45
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Wow!

 
 By: Bounce781 : October 23rd, 2019-13:01
So cool
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Wow [nt]

 
 By: Gelato Monster : October 23rd, 2019-13:24
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Here you go my friend. 🤗

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : October 23rd, 2019-23:35
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Now, if I could only get my eyes . . .

 
 By: Dr No : October 25th, 2019-12:42
. . . back in their sockets. ;-)
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Sublime. A pure marvel. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 25th, 2019-13:51
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That’s a beauty!

 
 By: mahesh : October 23rd, 2019-23:49
I’m not fan of rose/yellow gold but RR CC is the VERY first watch I fell in love with on colored metal too! ...  
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You wear it very well, mon ami. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 27th, 2019-23:41
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Wow! This is a delight! Best, É. [nt]

 
 By: eklektik : October 25th, 2019-14:24
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Here are the Pascal Coyon and Blancpain 7002

 
 By: Bounce781 : October 23rd, 2019-13:00
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Bp7002 #140 over here

 
 By: cazalea : October 23rd, 2019-13:17
I see you have 982. I wonder how many they made? Mike
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Ouch pain [nt]

 
 By: Gelato Monster : October 23rd, 2019-13:24
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Excellent. Love the Coyon. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 23rd, 2019-13:31
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Here’s my small manual contribution: two entry level Pateks (Calatrava 5119R and Gondolo 5124G, bought roughly 10 years ago and now both discontinued)...

 
 By: FabR : October 23rd, 2019-14:52
And Pam 292, that I just checked and it appears to have a COSC certification😀 Cheers. ...  
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Another Coyon [nt]

 
 By: batholith : October 23rd, 2019-16:03
No message body ...  
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Very nice, with its different movement decoration. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 23rd, 2019-22:18
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Thank you!

 
 By: batholith : October 24th, 2019-15:59
I actually had little choice as it was all that was left amongst the variations on offer.
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Not COSC, but "chronometer-grade"

 
 By: reintitan : October 23rd, 2019-22:20
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Journe calls it a chronometer...

 
 By: blau : October 24th, 2019-03:47
So it must be a chronometer, right? ...  
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beauty, especially in 38mm. [nt]

 
 By: donizetti : October 26th, 2019-01:16
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I might have something that qualifies....

 
 By: InDebtButOnTime : October 24th, 2019-10:11
For their Seasons collection (all 20 pieces of it, 5 for each season) Gustafsson and Sjogren sent thier Unitas movements to Soprod to be carefully tuned to meet chronometer specs. Damascues steel case, crown, and dial. Reindeer strap and a challenge to ph...  
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Always loved their work. Thanks for sharing. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : October 25th, 2019-13:52
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Testing doesn't result in better accuracy for an individual watch (except to remove it from the herd being shipped out to dealers)

 
 By: cazalea : October 25th, 2019-15:15
Most watches, most of the time, most companies ( going out on a limb here ) are constructed using a combination of mechanized and human assembly of lots of small parts. They might be partially assembled, dismantled, then reassembled, adjusted, etc. The fi...  
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Thank you for your nicely illustrated answer!

 
 By: eklektik : October 27th, 2019-23:30
Indeed Quallty Management does not necessarily mean high performance! Best, É.
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