Interpretation of this article is too wide…

Dec 03, 2022,03:19 AM
 

A lot can be drawn from this article. But unfortunately not all of our readers know what all the inputs are for watchmaking. This article simply looks at number of employees and output. Which is oversimplified. 


For instance, GE was a great company. Huge profits. But for how long? 20 years later, the company wasn’t competitive anymore. How did this come to be?  Welch didn’t invest in much research and development. Thus, he saved costs and delivered great profits. He was a hero at the time. But today, his cost cutting measures have now been realized as cost deferment. 

Back to the article. It looks purely at number of employees and output. It doesn’t look at the training of those employees. Eric Coudray was probably twice as productive than the average watch designer. And unfortunately the reader under their own assumptions are lead to believe that all employees have the same value because of the way the data is presented. The data simply presents a total production of watches/employees. It forgets that some employees are below average and some are above average.  The article doesn’t distinguish complicated watches vs simple watches neither. And we all know complicated watches can take more time to craft. The article doesn’t take into account how big the team is at R&D. Nor does it take into account a wide variety of factors. It simply provides a simple statistic which has lead to people deriving big conclusions from it. For instance a watch company can invest ten years of research and a billion Swiss Francs to hire George Daniel and design the most innovative Grand Sonnerie movement that can be quickly assembled and quickly decorated. It would have a relatively low Lee position on this article’s totem pole today. 

All I can say is that readers need to stop making too many assumptions. The author, who is a wonderful individual and a friend of mine probably didn’t mean to frame the article this way. And I think he’d be surprised as to how some people are interpreting his article and perhaps reading too much into it. 

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To be or not to be HAND MADE

 
 By: greatpa : December 2nd, 2022-17:54
Who has the most potential to put the most "hand made" hours into producing watches? I recently read through an interesting article on SJX, and wanted to collect some opinions. watchesbysjx.com If you have not yet read this article, I highly recommend...  

I really like this exercise

 
 By: blau : December 2nd, 2022-18:21
Obviously it doesn't even purport to tell the story of how, and how excellently, these companies are making their watches. But when looking at an industry that makes a lot of general claims about *craft* and *handiwork*--and charges an awful lot of money ... 

I personally don't really care about having something hand made

 
 By: andrea~ : December 2nd, 2022-18:29
Industrial production is what gives us reliability and makes watches more affordable. Plus what about advanced materials? You can't craft silicon components by hand. You can't make a ceramic/polymer case by hand. Hand finishing is the only thing that's wo... 

In other words....

 
 By: InHavenPro : December 2nd, 2022-18:34
Two of my all-time favorites - VC & Piaget, are great 'value' propositions according to this chart ........

No....

 
 By: InHavenPro : December 2nd, 2022-21:47
I didn't imply that VC or Piaget were 'the best' value, simply that they offer great value relative to their 'lower' price points....

Agree with Andrea but…

 
 By: myles721 : December 2nd, 2022-18:52
Of course it’s what you’re looking for. I commented on an owners disappointment in performance and a purist replied “but it’s hand made”, and for a collector that may matter. I am an Omega enthusiast that relies on my watches to perform as promised. Of co... 

Some handmade brands not on the stats

 
 By: Weems@8 : December 2nd, 2022-20:50
Albeit i do not look at industrial made and hand made. A factory Longines fits me well. A hand made Grönefeld will for ever be desired. A RG is mesmerizing. My dream watch a Chopard tourbillon is maybe handmade.

Hand made hours are not the only metric for value and pricing.

 
 By: Uncle Chico : December 2nd, 2022-21:01
The article is interesting and provides one way to judge value for money based on cost per hours of production and the number of individuals involved. I believe that the value of a watch has other metrics that are outside the strict economics of productio... 

Interpretation of this article is too wide…

 
 By: patrick_y : December 3rd, 2022-03:19
A lot can be drawn from this article. But unfortunately not all of our readers know what all the inputs are for watchmaking. This article simply looks at number of employees and output. Which is oversimplified. For instance, GE was a great company. Huge p... 

During my limited time here

 
 By: Pelle_thorstenson : December 3rd, 2022-11:40
at WPS I have learned a lot from studying many interesting posts from various people. In my book your posts Patrick are always top class. Bon weekend Pelle

Why thank you!

 
 By: patrick_y : December 4th, 2022-15:01
That’s very kind of you to mentioned. I’m touched! I don’t try to take the contrarian viewpoint. But sometimes I see our readers make assumptions and I just feel compelled to remind them that things are never that simple. VW Group and Toyota both make aro...