I agree, this is very disturbing IMHO

Hi Guys,

I don't have anything much to add except to say that I don't think one can separate "the movement" from the "fancy under-dial gubbins to position the hands".

I understand the point on some level (the movement is not pretending to be a GO movement in terms of architecture or finishing on the bridge side), but the under the dial work is every bit a part of the movement and often all that distinguishes one form another. Take J*D movements for instance. They are proprietary movements for the most part, but only by virtue of the under-dial gubbins.

The bottom line to me is that if Armani is using the movement with these display components in place then they are using a counterfeit movement. Or a movement that only exists because of counterfeit watches. Or something, And it's wrong.

_john

Shameless design theft ...

By: Marcus Hanke : June 25th, 2007-06:08

The copy of designs, logos and so on is an old issue within the watch industry. Generally known is the ongoing battle between watch manufacturers and counterfeitors with products of mostly Chinese origin. What seems to be a rather recent trend, however, i...

... it's one thing to see counterfeit criminals making dirty money in the margins of society. But when the Armanis of this world start legitimising the Underworld's products, things become infinitely worse! Shame, shame on you, Armani! From now on I will ...

Slow down...

By: nickd : June 25th, 2007-22:40

I don't think it's a fake movement (that is, a movement that tries to look like, or pretends to be, a Lange movement), it's just a movement that positions the hors/mins/date etc is certain places. Perhaps I'm wrong on this point, but I don't remember any ...

Sorry Nick, but you're wrong. Look at this fake GO ...

By: Marcus Hanke : June 26th, 2007-00:21

Already the very first Google hit brought up this watch: It needs no expert to realize that it uses the same movement as the Armani watch: And it is also clear that it was designed on purpose to imitate the well-known GO PanoGraph movement. I think the te...

Movement not watch

By: nickd : June 26th, 2007-00:53

Hi Marcus, I was just saying that I don't think the movement is a copy of the GO movement or that it pretends to be a GO movment. The movements I've seen in fake watches make no pretence at looking like the original, they just position the hands etc appro...

Sorry again; I still think you are wrong ...

By: Marcus Hanke : June 26th, 2007-06:47

I think we agree that there are different categories of fakes, each targetting different groups of customers. The people buying a $ 199 copy of a GO PanoGraph normally do not know anything about mechanical watch movements, let alone about GO movements. Th...