Ares501 - Mr Green
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You are not just back but you are b-a-a-c-k!!!
Mar 22, 2018,02:14 AM
Amazing full set of one of cult and very very rare vintage pieces from G-P....what I gathered only 40 to max 60 movements got Observatory certificate and their movement numbers can be found in Neuchatel Observatory records!
See the color of the inside of box
Cheers
D
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Throwback Thursday – 1967: Girard-Perregaux Observatory Chronometer B-2153
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 22nd, 2018-00:49
I am back! After a well needed family vacation in the sun I am back home. This Thursday I would like to throw you back to the 1967… We all know what happen that year at the Neuchatel Observatory in Switzerland. Girard-Perregaux dominated and was awarded t...
Pandora Box...!
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 22nd, 2018-13:24
Thank you, RG - that reminds me I should post some other boxes over at the JLC forum...! Best Blomman
Yes please
By: RG1 : March 22nd, 2018-17:47
Looking forward to it
My pleasure, dear Alkiro!
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 22nd, 2018-13:25
You know me, always something hidden for a rainy day...! Best Blomman
What an entry to come back with!
By: crown comfort : March 22nd, 2018-01:40
the Holy Grail of vintage GPs. Just amazing. Let's hope that one day we will find a good reliable source that can give affirmative details on the "Observatory Chronometers". And AHH that box... Best and glad to have you back my friend. CC
How to make an entrance....! ;)
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 22nd, 2018-13:26
Indeed, let hope we one day can uncover all the details about the Observatory Chronometers! Best, my friend Blomman
That's a good question / observation, Frank
By: crown comfort : May 31st, 2018-11:51
perhaps someone did not have the respect to stand behind his or her previous comments. But then, it's all about the original post by Blomman of a superb original watch and quality write-up.
You are not just back but you are b-a-a-c-k!!!
By: Ares501 - Mr Green : March 22nd, 2018-02:14
Amazing full set of one of cult and very very rare vintage pieces from G-P....what I gathered only 40 to max 60 movements got Observatory certificate and their movement numbers can be found in Neuchatel Observatory records! See the color of the inside of ...
Hehe 😁
By: Alkiro1 : March 22nd, 2018-15:08
Best wishes Alkiro
;) [nt]
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 23rd, 2018-00:46
I know 😊
By: Alkiro1 : March 23rd, 2018-01:07
Best wishes Alkiro
Thank you, Baron!
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 22nd, 2018-13:29
Good to be back, but I miss the sun... Best Blomman
That’s what I meant to say
By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : March 23rd, 2018-02:11
GP has aslo manufactured a new dial to fit your watch with the Observatory Chronometer sign. I know vintage purists love patina dials, but for me a rusty dial is just... rusty, or damaged 😜 I appreciate more a perfectly restored watch, but that is me
I guess.....
By: Baron - Mr Red : March 23rd, 2018-03:31
.....once you start messing around with original dials with refinishing and refurbishing with details that may or may not have been original, one should expect exactly this type of discussion to develop where originality and authenticity are questioned. T...
A philosophy of how to collect vintage
By: Baron - Mr Red : March 23rd, 2018-04:59
Some have no interest in whether a vintage watch is authentic and original whilst to others it matters a lot. That isn't just vintage Rolex, it applies across the whole vintage genre...Omega, JLC, Patek whatever. The philosophy refers to how one views col...
Sigh...
By: KIH : March 23rd, 2018-05:17
Pardon, but where did i mention you or any other watch collectors?
By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : March 23rd, 2018-05:18
I used the word RUSTY because that's how I see some vintage dials. I have long discussions with vintage friends But that's me, no offense intended 🌝 I agree there are 2 main groups of vintage collectors, those who let the watch untouched and unserviced, t...
Yes.
By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : March 23rd, 2018-07:22
I never take anything for granted. in a rating system chart, I'd put GP at the top of it To whom shall I believe? 🤔
Kind of response that Phytia would give :)
By: Ares501 - Mr Green : March 23rd, 2018-07:50
Yes you trust GP or Yes you never take anything for granted. To whom shall you believe? To your own eyes....yes I understand I have naturalistic point of view...but on other hand do you have any piece of evidence to trust GP? Cheers D
ahhhh.... i realise now that i stepped on a mine.....
By: Baron - Mr Red : March 23rd, 2018-05:28
I see now....this is a watch that you bought in a ruined state and you had it fully refurbished so that it "looked" like it was back to an original state. And you were not looking to see its value increase....right......... Good idea Ken......good idea no...
Guys, there is no blame game here!
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 23rd, 2018-10:21
Ken, you asked for opinion about your watch. You got opinions, some you like, some you like less. No point in starting any blame or personal attack here. It doesn't matter if your watch is a Observatory Chronometer or not... Since your watch is not in ori...
Ken.....
By: Baron - Mr Red : March 24th, 2018-23:37
.....i assume that you are implying that you lashed out at me. Let me be very clear here.....my comment on this was the following: The “observatory” was only applied during the overhaul? They changed the dial during an overhaul? Is that correct? If so, I ...
I've been following this thread and wondering . . .
By: Dr No : March 25th, 2018-00:32
. . . if Ken's comment on the dial as initially received, before it was sent to G-P for restoration, has been overlooked. The dial wasn't correct when G-P received it, being smaller than it should have been. If that is the case, then there isn't an issue ...
Good to see you here in the GP forum, Art!
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 25th, 2018-12:10
You do not often come and visit. Sorry for the circumstances. As for your question. Not overlooked, just not commented on since the main question has been, is this watch an Observatory Chronometer? But since you ask, let’s reflect on “the dial is too smal...
The implication, then, is that the dial currently in the watch . . .
By: Dr No : March 25th, 2018-12:52
. . . is the same as the one installed before it was sent to G-P for restoration? And that its differing appearance now (other than the script) at the junction between the periphery and the case is due to a corrected crystal/tension ring installation? If ...
Dear Art, I understand you have been asked…
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 26th, 2018-01:39
But before you imply who made or what has gone wrong here. Please consider, here in the forum we only have the version from someone that gets very upset of those who do not agree with him. Someone that even if advised differently, went along and changed h...
Forgive and forget…
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 25th, 2018-12:11
You brought up old things that should have been water under the bridge by now. I even asked you if you really wanted to take that discussion here in the GP forum, I even asked you to think twice before replying. In your reply you even wrote “I stop here”....
I will not spekulate in what been said...
By: blomman Mr Blue : March 23rd, 2018-01:46
But your letter only confirm Chronometer. As for how well manufacture's are at recreate dials, I (and I think others here as well) can confirm that what you get back after service are not always the correct outcome.
Hi Ken!
By: Ares501 - Mr Green : March 23rd, 2018-03:37
I've been reading through this thread cos I care about G-P and love it. Also I remember posts from years back about this piece of yours that I see you still love. Now please allow me my take on this "case"...but first I will cite Melvyn ..."You are correc...
Great post, Mr. B!
By: TheMadDruid : March 22nd, 2018-11:35
Have you tried getting documentation from the Observatory; or FHH?
Good stuff!
By: TheMadDruid : March 22nd, 2018-14:55
Nice stones!
That reminds me...
By: TS1987 : March 24th, 2018-21:52
I still have mine... Had to use a spare 32A as a parts donor for my 32A with the full set of b&p.. Sorry to chime in late, but if Ken's watch is listed on this www.observatory.watch database, it's an Observatory chronometer, as the URL lists ...
Thank you, Frank!
By: blomman Mr Blue : May 30th, 2018-14:17
Indeed, very cool! Best Blomman
what is a Observatory Chronometer worth?
By: ivremore : July 27th, 2018-17:55
Given the relative rarity, I have not seen any values except for one that sold for auction 3-4 years ago in Germany for $1400..
Welcome here, ivremore!
By: blomman Mr Blue : August 1st, 2018-11:15
Well, we - or at least I try to avoid discuss prices here in the forum... But I can tell you that the price for a original Observatory Chronometer in good condition has gone quite a bit up north last few years... Best Blomman
thanks!
By: ivremore : August 2nd, 2018-07:49
I do wonder where all these Observatory chronometers have gone over the years. According to the database, there are 702 for the years 1966/67, 40 the first, then 662 the second yet as best as I can tell, maybe ten have appeared over the last 10 years that...
Just to clarify,
By: blomman Mr Blue : August 8th, 2018-11:05
Yes, 662 Chronometers in 1967. All Chronometers were certified by the observatory, but not all Chronometer had Observatory Chronometer on the dial. Best Blomman
this is where it gets murky
By: ivremore : August 8th, 2018-13:45
Hi Blonman. The database shows 702 entries for GP chronometers. I know of GP chronometers with serial numbers that do not appear in the database. Is there any known serial number for a GP Chronometer that is in the database but does not have the Observato...
No stright answer...
By: blomman Mr Blue : August 10th, 2018-03:27
But we know: - All Chronometer must have been certified by a observatory for being allowed the "Chronometer" on the dial. - All Chronometer did not have "Observatory Chronometer" on the dial. Most have only "Chronometer HF". ... Best Blomman
so.....
By: Baron - Mr Red : August 14th, 2018-06:22
.......by definition, GP were making a distinction between a Chronometer HF and one with Observatory Chronometer.... a distinction that should not be lost or blurred
Yes. [nt]
By: blomman Mr Blue : August 17th, 2018-10:03
As said...
By: blomman Mr Blue : August 17th, 2018-10:08
All Chronometers (regardless of brand) had to be tested and approved by a Observatory to be allowed to bear the "Chronometer" on the dial. That include all Chronometer HF. BUT, only a part of all Chronometer HF did have the Observatory Chronometer dial.
I am not sure this is strictly true
By: ivremore : August 17th, 2018-10:33
According to this (#Observatory_trials_and_standards_before_1973), movements that passed the testing by the Bureaux officiels de contrôle de la marche des montres (B.O.s), the precursor to COSC(?), would be certified as chronometers (just not observatory ...