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Nov 28, 2019,12:19 PM

Dear all
I continue to consolidate my collection.
Want to keep one FPJ only and it doesn’t have to be my current CB.

If I wanted to acquire something below six digits, what would you guys recommend?

Criteria in order of importance:
- white metal / titanium
- high collectability potential / minimal depreciation
- ergonomically comfortable / easy to use
- low key / not attracting too much attention
- Open to useful complications

Have owned a CB for a few years now and before that a gen 1 PT Resonance (which didn’t last too long because I found the two crowns a bit cumbersome).

Would appreciate your feedback. Thank you.


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If it ain’t broke then why fix it

 By: ChristianDK : November 28th, 2019-12:42
Hi George If you are still happy with your CB, why not just keep it? You should consider it carefully before selling it. I would state, if I was to keep one FPJ, it would be a Resonance. I went with 2. Generation as it is easier and more practical than 1.... 

Its the Octa Calendrier

 By: ChristianDK : November 29th, 2019-10:33
An annual calendar watch with a retrograde hand. FPJ Nomenclature has never been totally clea to me, but the code for this model is "Q" and is the suffix after serial no. ...  

Thanks for the clarification [nt]

 By: fourtaelsgold : November 29th, 2019-17:32

How about a nice Calendrier 🤔 [nt]

 By: Watchonthewrist : November 28th, 2019-13:36


 By: mahesh : November 30th, 2019-10:19
gr8 choice on steel with an impressive dial !

Stick with your CB or try a Calendrier

 By: IndieFan : November 28th, 2019-22:48
Or... if you like a chronograph, a Centigraphe on the secondary market is incredible value so I don't see much downside there. A CB is a great watch but if you want something more complicated check out the Centigraphe or Calendrier, and pick the one that ... 

I was also going to say Centigraphe.

 By: Jay (Eire) : November 29th, 2019-04:17
But only if it appeals to you. Don’t force it. It’s a watch with a a face (dial) only a mother could love! (It’s taken me several years and while I’m still not certain I think I could survive if one was on my wrist!).

ROFL 🤣 [nt]

 By: ChristianDK : November 29th, 2019-05:04 more controversial one for you:

 By: Euroasianstar : November 29th, 2019-12:07
Elegante 48 Quartz! Don’t touch with a barge pole Or interesting addition? Not to replace the CB, but to take the quartz slot in the collection. Thoughts?

I love the Elegante

 By: ChristianDK : November 29th, 2019-15:51
I think it is just so cool. Just look at Alex picture from today!!! It looks great. It is super light and it sits so well on the wrist due to the curved back. It is a completely unique concept. The only problem, is its getting a waiting list by now. At th... 

Hi CDK...

 By: Euroasianstar : December 3rd, 2019-00:44
...was reading up on the Elegante and came across a data point saying that FPJ makes around 1,500 of these per year on top of the sub-1,000 mechanical watches. Is that correct? Had never really thought about it that way. Always had the sub 1000 number in ... 

Hi Euroasisanstar

 By: ChristianDK : December 3rd, 2019-05:04
Those numbers you have read somewhere are complete nonsnsense. F.P.J employs around 25 watchmakers total. They make EVERY watch, including the Elegante. Production is running on max capacity and will not be increased. Number of pieces will vary a little e... 

Elegante Production Numbers

 By: Euroasianstar : December 5th, 2019-12:40
So I did a little bit of digging the past few days: Tim Mosso of Govberg posted a video earlier this year, saying the Elegante has a run of 1,500 pieces per year and that this volume is counted separately from the mechanical series. One of the European bo... 

Total average production by FPJ is around 900-950 watches including the entire Elegante line. So mechanical watches average between 650-700ish per year.

 By: cmmnsens : December 5th, 2019-16:01
the 200-300 estimate of Elegante production is close to reality. Tim Mosso is way off on this one...

I think the centigraphe is

 By: shafran : November 30th, 2019-02:46

I’m not sure if it’s collectible or not

 By: Mr.Gatsby : November 30th, 2019-01:53
But I really love the Chronometre Optimum. It’s 40mm in PT, it’s got one heck of a movement and the dial is very legible — which means I am inclined to keep it when I grow old and my eyesight turns to crap. Also taking the chance to thank all of you on th...  

It is a very important watch in the Journe lineup

 By: ChristianDK : November 30th, 2019-02:02
And a great design. I really want add one. Beautiful picture!

Thanks Christian

 By: Mr.Gatsby : November 30th, 2019-02:07
Exactly, I find the CO to be a very important watch in terms of its concept, that’s why I bought it. For collecting purposes I would have loved to buy the Resonance or even the Tourbillon. The centigraphe is an acquired taste. I’m on the fence but tbh I k... 

It took me a little time to fall in love with the dial

 By: ChristianDK : November 30th, 2019-02:17
But I’m there now. On an anecdote. When I meet people on the FPJ staff, I often ask them what their favorite FPJ is. It is most often Optimum or Resonance. It is collectible for sure. Just wait till it is discontinued 🙃


 By: Euroasianstar : November 30th, 2019-04:28
So gents I am seriously considering to take the plunge on the Elegante now. I have a 16.5-17cm wrist. Should I go for the 48mm or 40mm? On the smaller version, what is the diameter of the inner white dial? Would the smaller case suit a man? I don’t want i... 

Calling Alex and Tlph!!!

 By: ChristianDK : November 30th, 2019-05:53
My guess is that you take the 48. It is not as big as it sounds due to the shape.

Definitely take the Elegante 48 as the 40 is really meant for ladies and I do not believe you can find one without diamonds

 By: singingbee : November 30th, 2019-06:34
Don’t be misled by the 48 in the name of the Elegante. It is actually the lug to lug length of the watch, 48mm is very manageable on smaller wrists. Here are some pics of the Elegante on my wrist which should be similar in size to yours ...  

Hi Mr. Gatsby

 By: cpbmd : December 26th, 2019-20:46
I read your post with interest. I have been thinking about watches from independent makers like FP Journe? I have a 17 cm wrist and currently wear 38-41 mm watches from Patek. 38 to 39mm watches seem to fit me perfectly. How does the 42mm CO wear ? After ... 

Why not buy a 40mm CO as they make it in 40 and 42?

 By: IndieFan : December 26th, 2019-20:57
I own a 40mm CO (which is the more popular size) and if you're used to wearing 38-41mm you'd just buy the 40mm and it'll be perfect I have a similar wrist size as you, and the 40mm is perfect!

Hello, my Journe is 40mm

 By: Mr.Gatsby : December 26th, 2019-21:13
I prefer the smaller 40mm Journe pieces as I have smaller wrists. It wears quite nice on the wrist. I wouldn’t say it’s top heavy as the watch is relatively flat. It’s a great piece to wear

Thank you sir :-) NT [nt]

 By: Mr.Gatsby : December 26th, 2019-21:13

How about the dead second tourbillon?

 By: CL : December 1st, 2019-09:34
Personally I find the Morte Second tourbillon very under valued at this moment. It will be a very nice piece to wear daily unless it becomes crazy in price.

+1 [nt]

 By: ChristianDK : December 27th, 2019-12:14