Dje
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Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711/1A or Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Jumbo 15202?
Hi,
This is an old
story repeating. But I'm convinced that the same facts, brought over and
over, don't always bring the same outcome. In fact I've asked
myself that same question many times, but there's at least one aspect of
the equation that changes, myself!
As you
certainly know or noticed I've been lurking around the 5711 for a while
now. A long while in fact, a too long while. That's the most tempting new
Patek Philippe for me, because I love it, because I would actually wear it and
because that would be the most affordable.
To be honest
I'm getting tired to run after a mirage and I'm really giving up.
I'm
giving up and a new watch launched earlier this year is giving me the strength
to move my mind. The watch was designed by the same great man and has a close
positioning.
Each time
I've seen or tried an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Jumbo, any version,
I've been appealed. The watch may be rougher than the Nautilus, or to be
clearer not show the same refinement, it has a strong design too. The 2121
calibre is a plus too, as it is a dream engine.
Audemars Piguet
launched a revised version of the modern Royal Oak Jumbo 15202 this year and
the new version seems to be in the best configuration a Jumbo could adopt. I
tried it at the SIHH and was really seduced by the move. My pics are very bad
but you can see it below on Foversta's picture.
Of course it is
not so more accessible new than the Patek Philippe Nautilus, but second hand
Jumbo models are in my reach in the precedent version (shown below in the form
of the upscaled dream PuristS 10th limited edition). I could choose
to take it as it is and live. It may be less beautiful than a 5711 but it may
be mine!
The point of my
question is to ask you if you think that I'm objective enough to choose a
sound solution, or if as a Patek Philippe forum moderator I'm
unconsciously sold to Patek Philippe and unable to make a sound choice?
I know that I love
the Nautilus 5711 but I really appreciate the Royal Oak Jumbo too and I may be
focussed on the Patek Philippe because I spend so much time here.
Maybe I should
take a 6 month rest reading on the Audemars Piguet forum and stop coming here for
that time?
But who can say
no to that beauty ?
Best
Dje
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Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711/1A or Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Jumbo 15202?
Hi, This is an old story repeating. But I'm convinced that the same facts, brought over and over, don't always bring the same outcome. In fact I've asked myself that same question many times, but there's at least one aspect of the equation that changes, m...
Well, the original jumbo, the Jubilé and the latest 15202 are three great solutions which
Can clearly compete with the Nautilus, being 3700 or 5711. I will go further... I find a R.O jumbo more appealing than a Nautilus, even a Ref 3700. I find the R.O more sport chic, less ... how to say it correctly... Mannered? The R.O is unique, in its loo...
Very convincing argumentation Nicolas
Hi my friend, Your argumentation is quite convincing and I agree with most of your points. Specially the last one. I f you can't do what you want, is it worth doing something for the sake of doing? Not so sure. I'll take a rest for this time. But I don't ...
Well, I will let you play with the 5402, next time we meet. you'll see
If it is a devastating love, or not. Best, Nicolas
Sure but the latest one is nearly as expensive as the Nautilus! nt
nt This message has been edited by Dje on 2012-05-01 14:17:29 This message has been edited by Dje on 2012-05-01 14:17:49
Would you?
Sorry to self-introduce myself into a finished dialogue, Nico. By what you wrote above, would you swim with the latest 15202 on your wrist? It is important for me to know experts' opinions on this, because i live in a warm climate (from April to October i...
Sure but...
Hi, Sure I'd like to get both, but when you can get only one, and not the one you'd like to get first..... So I'll get nothing. It's better to be wise! Thanks Dje
True...
but in that case I'll go with the new RO.....dare I say it is better than the original..!! Not many pieces you can say the anniversary edition is better is there..? It also goes with anything from jeans to suit....the complete all rounder. It's also the o...
i have always prefered the Oak over Nautilus.
you may argue that the Nautilus is more refined etc etc, but refinement on a sports watch is less important then sports chic!! the only advantage the Naut has over the Oak is simply it can be hidden under a shirt cuff, other then that, IMHO the Oak trumps...
Thanks Horo but one question....
Hi, Why do you write that a RO can't get under a shirt cuff? The Jumbo is a thin watch no? Best Dje
I own a 15202 for more than 2 years now and that for me says alot
As i usually tire quickly eith my watches and im always changing Except for my Jumbo and my Milguass I also oen a 5980 and modt certainly know its there to stay Obviously i would suggest getting both but for me if i really had to choise I would always go ...
It is impossible to say no to a beauty
That's why don't be N(a)ut and go for Oak I think that you summed it up perfectly. It is better to have Oak now then Nautilus eventually. Best D
Thanks, that's the basis of my question! I'm just trying to determine....
Hi, I'm just trying to determine (by myself) if that's a long terme option or a temporary derivative. Best Dje
Go for the naughty...
Lus. Your hearts true content? This message has been edited by romang on 2012-04-29 16:49:28
You need fiber on your diet.
So the oak is a better choice than the "seafood" But from the sound of post, I suspect you'll only be at peace when both of them are yours. Sacrifice is always hard and more often not a better solution. It'll probably take some time but it's worth it. Reg...
Sure you are. :)
You can always go for the one where your heart speak then get the other one later. Best way to make a decision is to toss a coin. Wait there's some procedure to this coin tossing thing. 1st. Decide head for the RO and tail for the Nautilus 2nd Toss it and...
RO
I've owned the nautilus in various forms (5711, 5980, 3710) and the RO in 15300, 15305... so not the 15202 but I would have to say that the PP braclet is better... but the look of the RO is fantastic... more sporty. If I were to choose only one... I'd go ...
This is difficult choice
I am lucky to have owned both model and I like them both. The different is the higher water water resistance on the 5711 make me choose to wear the nautilus if go for some outdoor activities. Get both!
Jerome, tough choice and these are are 2 great watches
I personally do not like the 5711 but love the AP, however you says that buying the AP is a comromise for you and not your first choice. Let me tell you that buying a wath that is a compromise is fraught with danger. You will continually hanker after your...
APRO for me
I have the same feeling as Amanico. The Nautilus design, even if it is beautiful, is too "sophisticated" (sorry, I don't have the exact word in English). I prefer the power of the Jumbo design, which fits better to my large hand (and wrist). Be cautious, ...
I totally agree with Julian, however
in my opinion and I am sorry if this will hurt someone or if this is completely against the ethic, I believe that if the Nautilus were not a Patek, the appeal will be much less and that the brand makes it more "I must have" kind of object while if the RO ...
I must say I have a better opinion of the Nautilus than yours!
Hi, But surely there's a Patek Philippe effect on it and it's possibly more valued because of that. Alas! Best Dje
I meant to say that you were right when you wrote...
"I believe that if the Nautilus were not a Patek, the appeal will be much less and that the brand makes it more "I must have" kind of object while if the RO were not an Audemars it will still retain its appeal" This is IMO a very important point about bot...
Thank you Passetemps, just my thoughts but still....
not far from reality:) Cheers Francois
Since you asked Jerome.AP 15202 is my choice...
over the PP Nautilus.But like others have wisely advised, if your heart says the Nautilus, then it is better to go with your heart. Cheers,dreamer
The Nautilus wouldn't even exist if it were not for the Royal Oak...
It gave Patek the courage to launch the Nautilus, it is a known fact the original Royal Oak from 1972 paved the way for highly finished luxury sports watches, for that reason alone you should have the original, the grand daddy, the legend, a Royal Oak S P...
Thank you Salman......you resume perfectly the reality of it all..
However, Julian is right, go...and get what makes your fancies Jerome! All the best in your quest for for your "grail". Meilleurs voeux. Francois
Your heart is longing for the Nautilus ...
And I believe that you should go for it. The AP RO can wait. If it is meant to be, then it will be... In due time. IMHO it's all about getting the one you have been longing for. No need to think anymore, go where your heart wants to take you.
No doubt the 5711...
don't get me wrong, the Royal Oak is a great watch, but the Nautilus just has that additional level of design and refinement that would keep it in my heart for decades to come. This is the watch I would trade all of my other watches for. (Unfortunately, I...
Both
If money is no option and you aim is too build a collection -both are a MUST. Both are iconic sports watches. If you could only chose one however, I would go for the Royal Oak. Its more unique, more sportier and just in my opinion the more interesting and...
Look at the dial of the 5711 in your pics!
The Nautilus dial is alive and changes constantly in varying light conditions. I do not own any AP so I cannot comment with firsthand experience but in your pics the AP dial is one dimensional, to me. Get the 5711 first. The price is forgotten while the q...
Having owned both, 5711 is the clear winner for me
I purchased first the RO, motivated by many positive reviews as those expressed in this post, as well as the aesthetics of the watch itself, of course. I found the RO bracelet, however, to be the most uncomfortable I have ever worn; it was stiff, and the ...
I went threw the same deliberation
over the past 18 months and chose the 5711. I tried not to let the price factor into my decision, which I appreciate is near impossible. I tried to predict the future me in 5 or 10 years and envision the happiness of my past decision. After this confusing...
I read your post and the multitude of responses,
all of which have merit for both watches. I don't know how many on the forum are old enough to have had the experience of the evolution of either of these watches but I was lucky to have been around and still here, thank God, to see the success of both wi...
What wisdom Whit! You put it so succinctly...
That is exactly how I feel about both brands but I couldn't have put it accross as easily. Coming from a former Patek dealer also speaks volumes.
Thanks Whit
Hi Whit, Thank you for your frank opinion. I'm not looking for prestige, and both brands are clearly unknown where I leave. Even my Explorer 1 is not so often recognized as a Rolex, it has no rotating bezel (where I leave people sail or dive with a Submar...
I would pick the 15202ST over the...
5711 any day. The only nautilus I would consider to be remotely on par with the Jumbo is the ref. 3700, but even then the lack of a transparent caseback tips the balance in favor of the Jumbo. To me, the 5711's dial is just not good-looking; the hour mark...
Agree with Dr.Kol...
If you have always wanted a Nautilus, then suddenly settle for the Jumbo, you might be happy with the Jumbo for awhile but will eventually drift back to wanting the Nautilus. Debating Nautlius vs. RO Jumbo is almost irrelevant. In my humble opinion, you h...
I have ended to my 2nd option too many times
and every time I have regretted later that I did not get what I really wanted. Nautilus! Best, Kari
Nautilus hands down even though the Royal Oak is 40..
this year and so I am I my choice is the Nautilus and I should get mine pretty soon.
Be happy!
Nautilus is a fantastic watch. I bought my first in 2006, the same year I bought my first Royal Oak. The bracelet of Nautilus is from a different world - much better than the same of RO. Furthermore, it seems that I'm hitting the Royal Oak all the time so...
If Patek had approached...
Genta first, we would likely be calling it the "Patek Philippe Royal Oak," and AP probably would've gone out of business before I was born....
That's funny and true...
but can be argued with any big luxury house in almost any industry (ie cars, fashion). The point at the end of the day is the brands do exist, and the designs are proprietary to the brand.
Jerome, forget about all technical details.
Choose the one with love at first sight - that is what you really want. The other one will stand the test and trial while you are enjoying the first one. Regards Ling
I went through your post for a 2nd time
and realized that you must be joking! First of all, a Patek Moderator giving up Patek for 6 months... Secondly, from your post it's so easy to see that Nautilus is really your dream watch. Why should you be happy with anything less? I guess we can soon ex...
I'm not joking Kari!
Hi Kari, Why do you write that I gave up Patek Philippe for 6 months? I'm curious! Yes I'm very appealed by the RO but I want the Nautilus even more! You perfectly understood that! I won't rely on my bank manager though. Best Dje
You proposed in the first post that
you would rest for "6 months coming here". I really can't imagine how a Moderator could stay out for half a year because he likes too much the watches of his brand. Anyhow, if you find the woman of your dreams and she is available but difficult, are you t...
I'll try to remain not to take too much risk on the traffic Kari!
Hi, But I have some time to train! Best Dje
financially the Oak makes mores sense ..its also a true icon, a classic....and totally ..
gorgeous..................................... BUT what does your eyes and hert say? I think you get my drift..... best Imran
Thank you all!
Hi, Thank you all for your very interesting comments and advice. I have changed my mind several times reading your answers (and I may again). My conclusion is that if I like the RO Jumbo a lot, I want the Nautilus. Buying any other watch won't make me sto...
Jerome, enjoy your holidays.............But
I would add and to coin the title of a James Bond film. "Never say never" Regards Tony PS So many times, I have let my heart rule my brain!
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