Patek Philippe

Hi, This is an old story repeating. But I'm convinced that the same facts, brought over and over, don't always bring the same outcome. In fact I've asked myself that same question many times, but there's at least one aspect of the equation that changes, m...  

Can clearly compete with the Nautilus, being 3700 or 5711. I will go further... I find a R.O jumbo more appealing than a Nautilus, even a Ref 3700. I find the R.O more sport chic, less ... how to say it correctly... Mannered? The R.O is unique, in its loo...  

Hi my friend, Your argumentation is quite convincing and I agree with most of your points. Specially the last one. I f you can't do what you want, is it worth doing something for the sake of doing? Not so sure. I'll take a rest for this time. But I don't ... 

If it is a devastating love, or not. Best, Nicolas

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Sorry to self-introduce myself into a finished dialogue, Nico. By what you wrote above, would you swim with the latest 15202 on your wrist? It is important for me to know experts' opinions on this, because i live in a warm climate (from April to October i... 

But the question should be which one do you get first Andy.

Hi, Sure I'd like to get both, but when you can get only one, and not the one you'd like to get first..... So I'll get nothing. It's better to be wise! Thanks Dje

but in that case I'll go with the new RO.....dare I say it is better than the original..!! Not many pieces you can say the anniversary edition is better is there..? It also goes with anything from jeans to suit....the complete all rounder. It's also the o... 

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you may argue that the Nautilus is more refined etc etc, but refinement on a sports watch is less important then sports chic!! the only advantage the Naut has over the Oak is simply it can be hidden under a shirt cuff, other then that, IMHO the Oak trumps... 

Hi, Why do you write that a RO can't get under a shirt cuff? The Jumbo is a thin watch no? Best Dje

As i usually tire quickly eith my watches and im always changing Except for my Jumbo and my Milguass I also oen a 5980 and modt certainly know its there to stay Obviously i would suggest getting both but for me if i really had to choise I would always go ... 

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That's why don't be N(a)ut and go for Oak I think that you summed it up perfectly. It is better to have Oak now then Nautilus eventually. Best D

Hi, I'm just trying to determine (by myself) if that's a long terme option or a temporary derivative. Best Dje

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Lus. Your hearts true content? This message has been edited by romang on 2012-04-29 16:49:28

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So the oak is a better choice than the "seafood" But from the sound of post, I suspect you'll only be at peace when both of them are yours. Sacrifice is always hard and more often not a better solution. It'll probably take some time but it's worth it. Reg... 

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You can always go for the one where your heart speak then get the other one later. Best way to make a decision is to toss a coin. Wait there's some procedure to this coin tossing thing. 1st. Decide head for the RO and tail for the Nautilus 2nd Toss it and... 

I've owned the nautilus in various forms (5711, 5980, 3710) and the RO in 15300, 15305... so not the 15202 but I would have to say that the PP braclet is better... but the look of the RO is fantastic... more sporty. If I were to choose only one... I'd go ... 

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I am lucky to have owned both model and I like them both. The different is the higher water water resistance on the 5711 make me choose to wear the nautilus if go for some outdoor activities. Get both!

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I personally do not like the 5711 but love the AP, however you says that buying the AP is a comromise for you and not your first choice. Let me tell you that buying a wath that is a compromise is fraught with danger. You will continually hanker after your... 

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I have the same feeling as Amanico. The Nautilus design, even if it is beautiful, is too "sophisticated" (sorry, I don't have the exact word in English). I prefer the power of the Jumbo design, which fits better to my large hand (and wrist). Be cautious, ... 

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in my opinion and I am sorry if this will hurt someone or if this is completely against the ethic, I believe that if the Nautilus were not a Patek, the appeal will be much less and that the brand makes it more "I must have" kind of object while if the RO ... 

Hi, But surely there's a Patek Philippe effect on it and it's possibly more valued because of that. Alas! Best Dje

Cheers Francois from Down Under

"I believe that if the Nautilus were not a Patek, the appeal will be much less and that the brand makes it more "I must have" kind of object while if the RO were not an Audemars it will still retain its appeal" This is IMO a very important point about bot... 

not far from reality:) Cheers Francois

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over the PP Nautilus.But like others have wisely advised, if your heart says the Nautilus, then it is better to go with your heart. Cheers,dreamer

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It gave Patek the courage to launch the Nautilus, it is a known fact the original Royal Oak from 1972 paved the way for highly finished luxury sports watches, for that reason alone you should have the original, the grand daddy, the legend, a Royal Oak S P... 

However, Julian is right, go...and get what makes your fancies Jerome! All the best in your quest for for your "grail". Meilleurs voeux. Francois

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The 5980 is the only nautilus, imo, that looks and feels sporty

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I cannot agree more.

And I believe that you should go for it. The AP RO can wait. If it is meant to be, then it will be... In due time. IMHO it's all about getting the one you have been longing for. No need to think anymore, go where your heart wants to take you.

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don't get me wrong, the Royal Oak is a great watch, but the Nautilus just has that additional level of design and refinement that would keep it in my heart for decades to come. This is the watch I would trade all of my other watches for. (Unfortunately, I... 

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In comparison with a patek 5711 imho of course. Best regards!

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If money is no option and you aim is too build a collection -both are a MUST. Both are iconic sports watches. If you could only chose one however, I would go for the Royal Oak. Its more unique, more sportier and just in my opinion the more interesting and... 

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The Nautilus dial is alive and changes constantly in varying light conditions. I do not own any AP so I cannot comment with firsthand experience but in your pics the AP dial is one dimensional, to me. Get the 5711 first. The price is forgotten while the q... 

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I purchased first the RO, motivated by many positive reviews as those expressed in this post, as well as the aesthetics of the watch itself, of course. I found the RO bracelet, however, to be the most uncomfortable I have ever worn; it was stiff, and the ... 

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over the past 18 months and chose the 5711. I tried not to let the price factor into my decision, which I appreciate is near impossible. I tried to predict the future me in 5 or 10 years and envision the happiness of my past decision. After this confusing... 

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all of which have merit for both watches. I don't know how many on the forum are old enough to have had the experience of the evolution of either of these watches but I was lucky to have been around and still here, thank God, to see the success of both wi... 

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That is exactly how I feel about both brands but I couldn't have put it accross as easily. Coming from a former Patek dealer also speaks volumes.

Hi Whit, Thank you for your frank opinion. I'm not looking for prestige, and both brands are clearly unknown where I leave. Even my Explorer 1 is not so often recognized as a Rolex, it has no rotating bezel (where I leave people sail or dive with a Submar... 

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5711 any day. The only nautilus I would consider to be remotely on par with the Jumbo is the ref. 3700, but even then the lack of a transparent caseback tips the balance in favor of the Jumbo. To me, the 5711's dial is just not good-looking; the hour mark...  

If you have always wanted a Nautilus, then suddenly settle for the Jumbo, you might be happy with the Jumbo for awhile but will eventually drift back to wanting the Nautilus. Debating Nautlius vs. RO Jumbo is almost irrelevant. In my humble opinion, you h... 

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and every time I have regretted later that I did not get what I really wanted. Nautilus! Best, Kari

this year and so I am I my choice is the Nautilus and I should get mine pretty soon.

Nautilus is a fantastic watch. I bought my first in 2006, the same year I bought my first Royal Oak. The bracelet of Nautilus is from a different world - much better than the same of RO. Furthermore, it seems that I'm hitting the Royal Oak all the time so... 

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Genta first, we would likely be calling it the "Patek Philippe Royal Oak," and AP probably would've gone out of business before I was born....  

but can be argued with any big luxury house in almost any industry (ie cars, fashion). The point at the end of the day is the brands do exist, and the designs are proprietary to the brand.

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Choose the one with love at first sight - that is what you really want. The other one will stand the test and trial while you are enjoying the first one. Regards Ling

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and realized that you must be joking! First of all, a Patek Moderator giving up Patek for 6 months... Secondly, from your post it's so easy to see that Nautilus is really your dream watch. Why should you be happy with anything less? I guess we can soon ex... 

Hi Kari, Why do you write that I gave up Patek Philippe for 6 months? I'm curious! Yes I'm very appealed by the RO but I want the Nautilus even more! You perfectly understood that! I won't rely on my bank manager though. Best Dje

you would rest for "6 months coming here". I really can't imagine how a Moderator could stay out for half a year because he likes too much the watches of his brand. Anyhow, if you find the woman of your dreams and she is available but difficult, are you t... 

Hi, But I have some time to train! Best Dje

gorgeous..................................... BUT what does your eyes and hert say? I think you get my drift..... best Imran

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Hi, Thank you all for your very interesting comments and advice. I have changed my mind several times reading your answers (and I may again). My conclusion is that if I like the RO Jumbo a lot, I want the Nautilus. Buying any other watch won't make me sto... 

I would add and to coin the title of a James Bond film. "Never say never" Regards Tony PS So many times, I have let my heart rule my brain!

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