Thank you, Kong! I note that the older

GS is finished in what I could consider a traditional functional or technical manner, very neat machine stripes, with simple but clean anglage, while as you mention, for the newer model Seiko has invented their own particular aesthetic. I am not certain that this finish applies to other (perhaps more recent, or automatic) models, the handwind is a relatively rare beast. The spring-drive is if anything even odder, very bold and idiosyncratic machine striping and as you observe, anglage obeying some unique aesthetic.

Regarding the additional 'shockproof' mountings, note that on the older GS the entire wheel train uses these mounts! This subject has been approached several times at the SCWF, my recollection is that it is considered just another way to fasten the jewels (sort of like a self-adjusting chaton), and is not expected to provide any flex. The jewel you mention on the newer GS, at the escape wheel, perhaps this is different.

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Movement comparison....

By: Jacky : August 14th, 2008-08:09

Dear purists, Out of curiosity....how would you compare a Grand Seiko movement finishing to a Chopard LUC in general? I was told by some friends that the Seiko is actually superior over LUC which i beg to differ....any thoughts? Regards

I waited a day... so nobody comments ...

By: Kong : August 15th, 2008-10:29

I don't have any picture of the GS movement finishing nor have I seen one with open caseback. I'm confident the movement finishing will NOT below GS. However, GS is a very worthy competitor Just side-track, have a picture comparison between L.U.C and PP b...

Thanks...

By: Jacky : August 15th, 2008-12:27

Interesting comparison of the PP and LUC

By: W72 : August 15th, 2008-22:10

First I must say I do not have enough knowledge of GS to compare. I do have a manual spring drive (among the earlier version) but this is another animal altogether. From what limited comparison I can make between the SD and LUC - I think the movement fini...

About the jewels...

By: Kong : August 16th, 2008-01:30

Watch72, thanks for the reply. I've seen the GS GMT....casework is superb. The dial, hands and indices are very well-finished. The SD should be as good too. The picture was by SteveG... indeed the L.U.C and PP finishing level is comparable. If you sample ...

Thank you

By: W72 : August 16th, 2008-09:20

Kong for the information on Jewels. So much to learn from this wonderful forum.

The Grand Seiko is a very nice watch, but not anywhere near the level of finishing of the LUC. They are just in different leagues and different price ranges to match. In my opinion, the Geneva Seal LUC movements are some of the very best finished in the w...

True....

By: Jacky : August 17th, 2008-09:10

They are indeed one of the best finished movement around but i dont think the LUCs with and without Geneva Seal have any difference....any thoughts, Kong? Regards

You are right, Jacky...

By: Kong : August 17th, 2008-09:23

Regardless with or without Geneva Seal, the spirit and work done on finishing is of the same high-standard. The subtle extras with the Geneva Seal certified pieces are the dial material is gold, swan-neck regulator and overcoil hairspring. Kong

Gold dial and swan neck is very tempting =)

By: Jacky : August 19th, 2008-04:01

Entirely different in intention and results

By: SteveG : August 22nd, 2008-11:08

Leaving aside the Chopard 1.96 to Patek 240 comparison, I think the finish of my 1.96 is at least as 'fine' as that of any comparable (serial-production and cost perhaps $US15,000 or less) contemporary watch I have had the pleasure to handle (but I have h...

Thanks SteveG for the wonderful series of closeup...

By: Kong : August 24th, 2008-13:27

Hi SteveG Thank you for sharing the 3 sets of pics of the great Oriental Challenger. From your pictures, I'm surprised to note that the current generation of GS, there isn't any anglage done but the edges were still needly done. For the Credor, a bit stra...