patrick_y
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Porsche has gone crazy...
Porsche has gone crazy with their pricing structure. Here in Silicon Valley, people think of Porsches as a great value. But the Porsche dealers here fleece owners with insane servicing costs. Mainly because owners here have no idea what to expect and are too wealthy to even think of investing time to make comparisons or to shop around. The GT4RS is another crazy example of Porsche pricing. A $180,000 USD car will often be marked to the point that it's within striking distance of a Lamborghini Huracan. When I explained this to a young crypto millionaire who bought a 911 Turbo S for around $230,000, he was shocked. As he had assumed that the Lamborghini was much more expensive. He was saddened to learn that the Huracan wasn't much more than his 911 Turbo S. Now, for over a year, he consults me on everything he buys. Watches, wine (he's buying a lot more cheaper wines thanks to me), whisky, and cars. And we both think Porsches have just gotten too expensive. He's definitely enjoying his 911 Turbo S. But he definitely wished he had all the information before making an impulsive decision.
What a beast!
Very sexy in person and quite compact, it really looks like the gt3rs and the gt4 had a baby Love the color too which is a great match for the black and carbon accents: ...
Couldn't agree more
In that way more extreme than the GT3 which is the better road car (quite a statement!).
Not mine just at the showroom
My pick of the line-up is the boxster gts 4.0 though, a real bargain at half the price of a gt4rs..
My Greenie says hi
Was my birthday prezzie last year, manual, with "club sports" pack. Car is fun in old school way, but absolutely slower then most rides out there. Even a PDK 992 C2S will be faster at the get go, but if a certain analogue feeling is what u crave, this is ...
Porsche has gone crazy...
Porsche has gone crazy with their pricing structure. Here in Silicon Valley, people think of Porsches as a great value. But the Porsche dealers here fleece owners with insane servicing costs. Mainly because owners here have no idea what to expect and are ...
They literally charge you what they want to charge you...
In America, the rule is that they're supposed to charge you for parts and for the regular number of labor-hours that job usually entails. A "Master Book" lists all of the typical services and the number of hours those services are supposed to be billed fo...
Wow, that is nuts! Sounds like Greubel service pricing :P
I haven't paid for a service at a dealership in years, I remember it being bad but this sounds like it's really gotten out of control. That said, I have gotten some freebies from the dealers I've had car trouble away from home a couple times, once in Mont...
Huge risk for Alpine and their parent company...
We have a number of Nissan dealerships in USA. Maybe they'll bring Alpine franchises to Nissan dealerships. But most Nissan dealerships will think twice. The cost to train a service staff to know how to work on the vehicle is costly. And if there's not en...
Alas, there is no Renault representation in USA...
We don't really have French cars in the USA. No Renault. No Peugot. Only French brand that has dealerships in USA is Bugatti which is from Franco-German Alsace region (and Bugatti himself was mostly Italian).
More options is usually a good thing for the consumer!
I just want them to open a Pierre Herme here. That's all I ask! And some nice baguettes and flaky croissants. The Eric Kayser here in USA doesn't taste the same as in Paris. When I fly to Greece, I bring back my favorite olive oil. Thankfully now, I can g...
Always beware those people with planes...
Some people have expensive habits. Gambling, drinking, drugs, planes, and watches. Always be afraid if you're doing business with them! I'm saying that mostly as a joke. It's always a fine balance at a Porsche dealership. It's human nature to try to be he...
400 Euros is a fair price...
Here, the annual service on a Mercedes can vary. They have odd number years and even number years. Odd number years; 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 are generally not too bad. It's mainly an oil change and a quick inspection. The dealers charge around $300 US Dolla...
Porsche is showing us what would have happened to Rolex if they increased pricing massively to match demand.
Porsche WAS a decent value just like Rolex was at MSRP, they both occupied this nice niche that was a premium to everything else in their class and also a great deal less then the next step up. Instead of keeping price increases relatively small like Role...
That's what I was thinking...
The Lamborghini Huracan genuinely drives like a special machine (even though it is admittedly 20% an Audi R8). There's so much more emotion than the Porsche. And the Porsche is a technically brilliant car. Just brilliant. But the Lamborghini for only a $5...
In Germany the share of full paid Porsche (new cars) is about 10%
the rest is paid in any kind of finance/leasing arrangements - very different to other brands. So being a Porsche owner in its true sense applies to only a small minority of drivers over here. I turned my back to the brand in 2010 after nearly 20 years of...
I don't know in USA, but we are heavily financed...
USA built the whole concept of mass credit adoption. So it's only natural. Americans buy everything on credit. And have some of the highest credit card debts in the world. The average car loan is now around 69 months!!! 69! that's nearly 6 years!!! People...
What's crazy too is that the average sale price of a car in the US is nearing $50k, about the same as average annual income. I don't know how people afford that 🙄
If you've been watching the news on the car market, it's a lot like the Rolex market, just a little behind since cars aren't so liquid and there's more finance and repo adding to the time lag. The car bubble is about to pop too, hoping for a good deal on ...
Yup! They say a new car in USA now costs on average $49,000 USD before tax, finance charges, and registration!
$49,000! That used to be a Mercedes E Class (low options and a small discount) money in USA! Special insight: Dodge and Chrysler vehicle owners are often of a demographic with more varied credit ratings. Which suggests that your chance of getting a good d...