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Here are some sources which address your concerns...
Mar 01, 2024,22:35 PM
Copied from myself in another thread - I didn't really look particularly hard so not pushing an agenda beyond the "scientific consensus", these were just the top cited papers on the topic:
pubs.acs.org
: "The study shows that the environmental burdens of mobility are dominated by the operation phase regardless of whether a gasoline-fueled ICEV or a European electricity fueled BEV is used. The share of the total environmental impact of E-mobility caused by the battery (measured in Ecoindicator 99 points) is 15%. The impact caused by the extraction of lithium for the components of the Li-ion battery is less than 2.3% (Ecoindicator 99 points). "
www.sciencedirect.com
: "The use of EVs instead of gasoline vehicles can save (about 60% of) GHG in all or in most of the EU MSs, depending on the estimated consumption of EVs. Compared with diesel, EVs show average GHG savings of around 50% and not savings at all in some EU MS."
Something that isn't peer reviewed, but perhaps more relevant and accessible (also the folks at ANL do good work): publications.anl.gov
- figure of interest is ES-1, which includes the emission contribution of manufacturing as blue bars, as part of the overall current emissions for each drivetrain as black bars.
I will say though, these studies are about the superior environmental impact of EVs, while saying nothing about usability. I don't have an EV and probably won't for the foreseeable future, because I bike commute to work and only need the car for long distance weekend trips, so I'm sticking with ICE and hybrid engines.
However, if you can charge at home and use your car to commute every day, an EV is a complete win for that use case.
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Apple canceled theirs, Aston Martin has
By: Thomas_3 : March 1st, 2024-14:41
delayed theirs due to lack of demand. What you say?? Electric cars? Just an opinioin here but I think a lot of manufacturers jumped the gun when it come to them. Everyone was all in on EV's then realized the world really doesn't have the infrastructure fo...
EV / Autonomous
By: myles721 : March 1st, 2024-14:57
Is here to stay. National mandates from G20 nations almost guarantee that. It will definitely service / fill the urban / suburban around town needs almost immediately. Rural and longer trips will take some time but this is a done deal.
When you consider
By: ant : March 1st, 2024-16:25
the real world range available, it's all a bit silly. For optimum battery life they should only be charged to 80%, then, all manufacturers overstate the real world range, usually by at least 10% So, that smart looking 'earth friendly" eco-marvel isn't at ...
I am confused
By: Henke : March 3rd, 2024-01:04
As a reader of so-called "fact" sheets, I have encountered many which describe the problem you're suggesting the authors don't know about - that is, the need to balance intermittent generation with grid level storage. Here are a few examples - www.nre...
Has it crossed your mind
By: RabidManatee : March 3rd, 2024-01:18
that the authors you cite are aware of these issues but gloss over them in an effort to advance their agendas, be they motivated by profit, ideology, or both? There are no “gotchas” here. These are realities which grid operators are dealing with TODAY. Pe...
My friend, I am again confused -
By: Henke : March 3rd, 2024-02:53
Why would they gloss over the need for grid storage, when funding for their products and research relies on the magnitude of the problem at hand? There are many research groups, startups and incumbents vying to provide the solution to the grid storage pro...
Exactly!
By: Henke : March 3rd, 2024-03:15
Arbitrage is precisely the point! One of the main problems with wind and solar is that they are intermittent - that is, power generation (supply) doesn't necessarily follow power consumption (demand), so you need some way of smoothing it out. This is a hu...
Chicken or the egg problem?
By: Fastwong : March 1st, 2024-16:38
The technology isn't mature enough for mass adoption but then if the mnfrs and govt didn't make a push, maybe it never would be?
In its current
By: ant : March 1st, 2024-18:38
form it is hopeless. Electric motors are dramatically more efficient than ICE engines but that is only a small part of the story. The enviromental cost of battery production, their disposal, low energy density and consequent high weight make the whole thi...
Lectures are quite useful
By: Henke : March 1st, 2024-22:58
for shedding light on the truth...should one be open to the facts... As you said, it takes ten years to grow a tree, but a hundred to grow a man; but if you close your ears and run from lectures, you might remain a sapling forever...
Hey,
By: Henke : March 2nd, 2024-02:03
I like cars too, polluting or not I have no EVs or hybrids, but a nice 370 HP V6 right now. You would be sadly disappointed if you thought you could get away from my stalking in hell, because I suspect I'll end up right there with you :P
Indeed, CO2 will go up as a result of temperature increases...
By: Henke : March 1st, 2024-23:23
as the solubility of CO2 in water decreases with rising temperatures and it is liberated from the oceans. That is something you can demonstrate with a can of soda at home - take the can out from the fridge, more CO2 bubbles come out. But that doesn't mean...
Better batteries are coming.
By: mkvc : March 1st, 2024-17:00
And most trips are short. I have a plug-in hybrid, with electric range around 25 miles, and I can go weeks without using gas. And I have solar panels on my house.
Mercedes has delayed going totally EV as well…
By: S F : March 1st, 2024-17:33
I thought hybrid would have been a reasonable compromise. And while I am not an EV convert, I do believe it will be the future as more and more governments establish laws to phase out ICE cars. And this would naturally lead to reduced production of ICE ca...
+1!
By: amanico : March 1st, 2024-21:23
😄+1
By: Gelato Monster : March 2nd, 2024-00:46
I buy the argument everyone has to do good for the environment…
By: S F : March 2nd, 2024-02:19
But the whole idea has taken on a very strong financial angle to it. Everyone is thinking how to make money out of this thematic. We are talking about trillions needed to transit to achieve the grand plan of net zero. How much incremental emissions are go...
We are in a transitional phase …
By: Cpt Scarlet : March 1st, 2024-18:30
EV’s are and will continue to rapidly evolve. I use an EV on a regular basis and then enjoy a variety of petrol cars when the time is right. I don’t see why some people feel that EV’s are the enemy when we all need to remember that toxic air pollution in ...
+1
By: myles721 : March 1st, 2024-19:32
👍
By: Cpt Scarlet : March 1st, 2024-19:49
I’m not ready to convert
By: Aquaracer1 : March 1st, 2024-18:43
From ICE to EV quite yet. Don’t know if I will be in 5 years either. My question involves the reports you read about how much pollution it takes to manufacture an EV. Including that process , is it really better for the environment than ICE over its lifet...
Here are some sources which address your concerns...
By: Henke : March 1st, 2024-22:35
Copied from myself in another thread - I didn't really look particularly hard so not pushing an agenda beyond the "scientific consensus", these were just the top cited papers on the topic: : "The study shows that the environmental burdens of mobility are...
Here are some sources which address your concerns...
By: Henke : March 1st, 2024-23:33
Copied from myself in another thread - I didn't really look particularly hard so not pushing an agenda beyond the "scientific consensus", these were just the top cited papers on the topic: pubs.acs.org : "The study shows that the environmental bur...
Agree.
By: Gelato Monster : March 2nd, 2024-00:43
Agree 💯
By: Watchonthewrists : March 2nd, 2024-08:11
Had one for two years but it just didn’t work for me. Back to old school again
I was think of getting a BYD EV in a year or two,
By: iceheller 1945 ✌️ : March 2nd, 2024-10:08
but the charging infrastructure here is pathetic, may get a tri-star again before getting an EV or hybrid since ICE will only be phase out in 2030 here. The future is hydrogen fuel depending how the world can play catch up with the east.