ciaca, for the members in orologi passioni...

you can tell them,

that i have myself D-series with unsignet crown (and i saw much more!)

also there can be found pictures in german magazin Armbanduhren 4/2004 (also from opened D-series watch !)

The way you communicate in both forum (orologi passioni and here) for me - really - it is ok in any way.

But sometimes i think it would be better that some people in italien forum are looking around a little bit

in europe and all over the world. There is a lot of knowledge, but some people think the communication in italy in

only in italien language is enough.

You do right to look over italien border. For me it also was not easy after 30 years from school english away to

communicate here about special things. In orologi passioni it is / was sometimes difficult. But if people

talk about a watch that existe 4500 pieces, that are distributed all over the world it is necesarry to talk with

the world. Not everyone at orologi think so.

A few month before no one there really could talk about D-series. But sometimes they are fast to tell

others that they are wrong (even members that have no knowledge). This comment is not against you - ciaca

So you have to do your best - hope for you - everyone likes it there and interesting to see / hear what they answer you

about D-series inner case number system (my actual other Thread here and your communication) - at the moment they

gave still no answer to your point.

regards

stephan

This message has been edited by only5402 on 2012-05-18 10:26:23

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Royal Oak 5402 - signed / unsigned crown - repost 2023

By: only5402 : January 26th, 2023-15:37

just a short information: i saw a report about 5402 in italien forum - it is a subsumption from a lot of different things, we can find in internet. I can not read italien - so i can not judge the facts generelly. Only thing i see - without italien languag...

Thanks for reminding us the truth, my friend; [nt]

By: amanico : May 17th, 2012-07:25

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Well Stefan...

By: Sandgroper : May 17th, 2012-22:44

I have a 5402 B series from 1975/76 bought brand new in Geneva by my step father in 1976 and the crown is signed, it went for a total overhaul to AP Le Brassus in 2010 and all was confirmed as original!!! I am a little confused! Kind regards. Francois

of course...

By: only5402 : May 18th, 2012-01:05

a signed crown is also "original" - and specially in APs eyes, because if AP (or a authorizised dealer/watchmaker makes a revision at any time they change the crown at this modell. The reason is, that in the crown there is the blanket (or what it is call...

There still may be unsigned crowns available...

By: SteveW : May 18th, 2012-02:11

... my B-series went in for service last year with a broken winding stem and came back with a new plain crown. At least it looked new. Was sent to the factory in Switzerland.

if there are unsigned crowns available...

By: only5402 : May 18th, 2012-02:58

that means, that everyone should ask, who send his 5402 to revision, if it is possible to put a unsigned crown on the watch (if possible). Perhabs they found a box with crowns somewhere back in a rack in switzerland. Thanks for information Stephan

You are correct Stefan....

By: Sandgroper : May 18th, 2012-02:32

I have just check the invoice from Audemars Piguet dated April 2010 and yes, they do mention replacement of "crown, water-resistant, stainless steel, AP symbol". I think however that they should have given the "original" back to me!!!!! I'll ask them, but...

My point is...

By: ciaca : May 18th, 2012-07:50

If there are evidences of D serial with unsigned crown we can suppose all the 5402 production was originaly equipped with unsigned crowns. There was no reason for AP to change it, given the limited number of production of the reference. The point is...are...

ciaca, for the members in orologi passioni...

By: only5402 : May 18th, 2012-10:18

you can tell them, that i have myself D-series with unsignet crown (and i saw much more!) also there can be found pictures in german magazin Armbanduhren 4/2004 (also from opened D-series watch !) The way you communicate in both forum (orologi passioni an...

Work in progress...

By: ciaca : May 18th, 2012-11:56

Here and there ;-) I reported your arguments abot D-serie 5402, crowns with and without AP logo, relation between external and internal serial numbers, i'll try to keep you updated about any news. I agree with you on the necessity to look forward the ital...

Ciao Stephan, here I am

By: mstanga : May 18th, 2012-13:40

Ciao Stephan, I've sent you a PM a couple of minute ago. I'm the one who wrote on "orologi e passioni" - "Guida al Royal Oak ref. 5402" including years of study and putting together all the informations I've found all over the world in these years. It was...

Marco - that´s really good, that...

By: only5402 : May 18th, 2012-23:36

we speak in direct way (and can do this in english) Thanks for PM (i answered you). It would be great to see your Guide about 5402 in english. Without understanding italien everyone can see that it is a really good assumption with a high bandwidth. This c...

Stephan, it's really good for me, too

By: mstanga : May 19th, 2012-00:08

Thank You Stephan, it will be fantastic and very exciting collaborating with you developing an "International guide" Have a nice day Marco