Agree to large extend

Apr 08, 2020,05:37 AM
 


The time only indeed has too much open space and looks indeed pretty big on your wrist.

Take the AP time only and put it I.e. next to a Moser, or PP or a VC time only. There is a huge difference.
I was met with a “dial designer” and he stated that getting the balance into an almost empty dial, is one of the hardest things to do.
Which makes sense because the designer has virtually nothing to work with.

Since the introduction I still can’t get rid of the idea that AP overcompensated the empty time only dial, but a very busy and crowded chronograph dial.

It’s just too busy. And if memory serves me right, they also sell it with that averine material (with all the little sparks in it).

I started by saying that I agree to large extend with you. There is one thing our views might be different.
You mentioned ; “it doesn’t feel AP enough”.

I belief it very much breathes and feels AP, but unfortunately not as positive as they must have had in mind.


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 By: APROchrono : April 8th, 2020-02:50
I dug up some pictures of trying on the code 11.59. I have to say the case is a lot more compelling in person, and I love the details on the case. However, the thinner / lack of a bezel and loads of empty space on the dial didn't get me excited and makes ...  

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 By: Gelato Monster : April 8th, 2020-03:06
thus one generic design platform where they can freely built design/dial/movement evolutions in the future.

Interesting Gelato Monster...

 
 By: APROchrono : April 8th, 2020-03:11
Please could you elaborate? Isn't that what most watch companies do with cases - e.g. Royal Oak with multiple dial/complications? Or the Nautilus case with multiple dial/complications? I probably am missing the direction you are thinking of.

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 By: APROchrono : April 8th, 2020-03:18
... Is starting by design versus rollout by evolution?

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 By: Gelato Monster : April 8th, 2020-03:21

The thing is, to successfully make this business model work, you need a successful baseline, which today they don't have with this one.

 
 By: WH_ : April 8th, 2020-12:09
I am really struggling with this model, and I feel it needs some serious strategic fixes. I just don't think we're talking about small tweaks here. Or maybe I'm completely short sighted (face palm)

Thanks WH_. It will be interesting...

 
 By: APROchrono : April 8th, 2020-17:56
... 1. to see future models and how large the tweaks are, and 2. to view all this debate 5-10 years later once they either have a successful line, or write this off as an experiment

Agree to large extend

 
 By: Jurry : April 8th, 2020-05:37
The time only indeed has too much open space and looks indeed pretty big on your wrist. Take the AP time only and put it I.e. next to a Moser, or PP or a VC time only. There is a huge difference. I was met with a “dial designer” and he stated that getting... 

Thanks Jurry.

 
 By: APROchrono : April 8th, 2020-06:59
To me the case feels AP, but the dials don't - so the first overall impression is too generic. The link to AP lies just beneath in the case and that's why the case is brilliant. I just hope they do something about the dial/bezel soon ( which I have confid... 

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 By: Jurry : April 8th, 2020-08:04
I’ve seen that case and yes that’s very uniquely designed.

I think the case and movements make for a great future of the collection.

 
 By: MichaelC : April 8th, 2020-06:00
And AP has made spectacular dials before... they will come...

Fingers crossed Michael!

 
 By: APROchrono : April 8th, 2020-07:00
And I am as hopeful as you are.

In case anyone is still wondering what the hierarchy of importance is on a watch... Dial Case Movement.

 
 By: Tavio_George : April 8th, 2020-06:00
If the dial ranks #3 on a watch in terms of appeal...it's going to be a dud, plain and simple.

Thanks Tavio_George!

 
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 By: APROchrono : April 8th, 2020-17:53