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wall to wall agreement on the first part of the story
but real fuzzy about the rest....
Story is Stallone received less than 10 pieces of the Daylight (most likely 7) and didn't like the blue on white and therefore returned these to Panerai to be redone with black as subsequently were all Daylights. That's when the story becomes Fuzzy, from 7 it "grew" to 11 thanks to the powers of quality and there is claim that this amount did hit the market. Others claim that the blue leftover dials were used by an entrepreneur family to assemble some watches outside of Panerai thus making them fake.
I think consensus deems these as bad apples.
my 2c
Asi
Let's go back in the Past: What's your favourite Pre Vendome Watch?
There were several Holy Monsters created by Officine Panerai Firenze from 1993 to 1996. The 5218- 201 / A so called Logo: The 5218- 202 / A Marina Militare PVD: The 5218-203 / A Luminor Marina PVD: ( I don't know who to credit for this superb pic ) : The ...
my holy grail will be
The 5218- 202 / A Marina Militare PVD. Followed by the Mare Nostrum with a smooth bezel (not sly) I expect Panerai will re-produce these 2 models, MN in wearable size (not 52mm) and also a small Egyptiano. Thanks Nicolas for sharing all these beauties Bes...
A page has turned, Patrickh.
These watches can't be released again, sadly. The 360 is maybe the closer approach to the Pre V world, indeed. As for new releases, a small Egyiziano, or a Mare 47 mm would also make my day. But this is the Future, not the Past. Best, Nicolas
Hard to pick just one
The 5218-203 / A Luminor Marina PVD for me. I like the smooth Mare Nostrum as well
Aaah Nicko...
I think any of them would be a jewel in any collection, well, at least in my opinion. I loved a lot the 2 watches you mentionned. Great choice! Best, Nicolas
For me, the logo is the winner...
I love the simplicity of the dial.. Only "LUMINOR PANERAI" and the logo.. Combined with the fat tritium index.. Simple yet stunning... Next will be the Marina Militare 202/A.. The simplicity is close to the logo.. Only it is using MARINA MILITARE wording ...
Well, Sam, I had them all ...
And I completely tend to agree with you on the Logo. Exactly for the reasons you mentionned, + the fact that it was, with the Mare and the MM, the first ones to attend the re birth of the brand. But the Logo, and the one I posted, which happens to be mine...
I enjoy hearing special stories on watches people own..
It makes the watch so much more special.. And if in the future I will have the opportunity to get the logo myself (Im day dreaming here), I would want to buy it on a very special ocassion to make a special watch much more special. I see that your logo is ...
Matching versus non matching, it is all about taste.
I would say that I prefer a non matching dial in a PVD case, and a matching dial in a non PVD case. But I had several times the possibility to see both of the Logo, matching and non matching, and I can tell you that what matters is to get the Logo, and wh...
I like it the other way around...
I like Non-Matching on the logo and Matching on the Marina Militare.. But this is only my judgment from the pictures... I've only seen the matching Logo.. I hope to be able to see them in metal side by side... Cheers, Sam
One of them was too special to me, this one had something more...
I seem to recognize it ;-) (picture below) Recent time flies. Already it is about some 14-17 years ago, unwanted marvels then, today almost unreachable jewels for most, they all generate special emotions to all their owners. My pick, truly all of them.
Yes, POY...
This Logo is familiar to you, my friend. Still at home, or better, on my wrist! I think it will be the last Panerai to go, because of its special story, because it is a friendship watch, and because of its owner! Best! Nicolas.
Don't touch, Damjan... It is my Logo. :)
LOL, but True. Best, my good friend. Nicolas
Nico ...
... The Black Seal isn't a controversial watch? Is it really a Pre Vendome watch, or was it really made by Pre Vendome? I would like to know more about this watch, as I found no serious information on it till now... Best Patrice
Hey Patrice, the wolf is out of the wood. :)))
I know part of the full story, but wait we are lucky one of our esteemed member did many of the legs works, let me phone him to get him to post it It is an amazing and very interesting story, and I think he's the only one in the Panerai Community to know ...
Nicolas...love the MM and the Black Seal..
first I have heard the "controversial" label...more info please! each are so yummy with the T-dials...
Will try my best to convince my friend to dedicate a post on this topic.
And believe me, a very interesting topic. I used to own the Black Seal Sly on the pic I posted. We'll see if my friend accepts. Best, Nicolas
As close as possible to the 5218-218A full story
I hope you will enjoy it. The Black Seal 5218-218A This is no doubt the controversial Pre-Vendome watch This piece was first projected very early 1996, drawn and specified in mid 1996, final specifications in December 1996, re-specified & re-final drawing...
My good old friend strikes again !!! :) :) :)
Thank you so much for this intersting and amazing post !!!! Talk to you soon. Ben C.
Fantastic bit of info...
that was great to read PoyFR. Really informative and interesting. Lovely watches Nicholas.
Poy's answer is " La Creme de la Creme ", indeed, Aless.
You can search everywhere, these documents have never been posted before. I'm very happy to see that POY accepted to share with us this part of History. Thanks for your kind words. Best, Nicolas
The Slytech Project is the Bible of the Modern Panerais ...
It is clearly stated that 70 pieces were to be made in Gold or Platinum... We know that in 1997, the Pam 21 was released ( 60 pieces in platinum ). Then this document clearly speak about the Dual Time ( GMT ) and the Submersible. We know that these watche...
WOW...EXCELLENT!
THANK YOU for the history lesson. Very comprehensive (despite that I can't read Italian)! Thank you so much for sharing such valued info on a very rare bird. the adage "learn something new everyday"
What a story!
218, not so mysterious anymore, all due to your excellent story. Thks for sharing. Learnt a lot.
Enjoy it ... no ....
I absolutely love it .... for so long long time I craved for this piece of info about "dark horse" of preV What fabulous story!!! What tremendous piece of Panerai history! Thank you for sharing all this Pre-V Panerai jewels with us ... rarely though... bu...
Held this document in hand...
D.G. showed me copy(maybe original not sure) would love to know that dr.Vlahovich,very Croatian sure name Best Jeronim
Well it is possible that some people forget their promises...
Hello, I think I know who you are referring to. It is me, a long time ago that gave him a copy! anyway no arms in showing to enthusiasts. Anyway it is better now that it is here for everyone. Best regards to you.
POY.FR...
sorry if I made some problems,didn't know that was confidiental :-( Best regards, Jeronim This message has been edited by amanico on 2010-10-08 07:29:26
My friend, no worries what so ever
and nothing to worry about, you are not the one who broke trust, and anyway it does not matter... Best to you and your family.
good I didn't make
any mess around here. thanks for best wishes,same to you and same for Olimpic Marseille! Y. love that club since you guys bought our A.Boksic not to mention Skoblar Best regards, Jerolim
.... and you are not the only one
maybe it's time for us to find him you never know maybe he have 2 Blackies for us. Pozdrav Damjan
You have done us a great kindness!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Kent
My favourite PreV Panerai's are
1. 5218-202/A from the 1994 batch with matching dial and the same fat numerals as the 5218-203/A. 2. 5218-304/A love the plain bezel.
Luminor and Mare...
A hard to beat Duo! I can perfectly understand you, Mchael. Best, Nicolas
Mine is this,,,,,,BUT,,,,a special one ;-)
g A ref 5218-201/A prototype,,,,,, And Nico, if you consider the Blackseal why not consider the blue indices daylight? Cheers Asi ...
On,e problem at a time, Asi. :)))
First the Black Seal Slytech, then the Daylight Slytech... You got the one on the pic, Asi? Hope you have great time where you are, with all the other guys! Best, Nicolas.
If I did, would it be a dream?
it belongs to our friend DU,,,,,,,,,,I first saw it in 2004 and couldn't forget it since What guys? I am slaving here with no fun at all! Asi
Yes, there are eternal dreams, my friend.
Come on Asi, come and slave here in Paris, Bijo! Best, Nicolas
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly... A Legendary Pic...
Who is the crook in the middle of the pic? Best, Padre Shlomo! Nicolas
Asi, I have a question on the blue indice daylight..
I once saw the picture, but never really told about the story behind it. Can you tell me a little bit about it? Best regards, Sam
wall to wall agreement on the first part of the story
but real fuzzy about the rest.... Story is Stallone received less than 10 pieces of the Daylight (most likely 7) and didn't like the blue on white and therefore returned these to Panerai to be redone with black as subsequently were all Daylights. That's w...
Thank you for the information Asi...
It's always intriguing to hear stories about "controversial" watches like this one... The look of the watch is not my cup of tea.. But it is definitely a very unique specimen that has a mysterious charm to it... Best, Sam
LOL Asi about the " Entrepreneur Family " ...
I never understood anything about these Blue Daylight Slytech... 7 to 11, 11 to 7... Who really knows? YO? One thing is sure, this is not the kind of stuff I woiuld go for. Best, Nicolas
I agree with 7, allow me to add a little more
Sylvester Stallone ordered 20 pieces of the 207/A, he wanted them rapidly (for if I remember correctly his birthday party), Panerai in Firenze arranged to rapidly deliver the first 10 pieces together with other pieces (201A & 205A). On arrival/delivery St...
Funny, POY, I was on to post this scan, too...
As it came with my ex Daylight Slytech... Whose number is corresponding to those mentionned on the invoice. For sure, an impeccable provenance! Best, Nicolas...
rewind back a little, about the inglorious meum ....
a boat for the fools. Then, the crew could hold on one boat, now it seems they are filling up an entire fleet, e Viva L'Italia!...
And now, I just spitted my soup! :)
Damn, POY, I'd better not read your answers anymore! The Ship of Fools... How long since I didn't see it? An eternity! I hope nobody will ask us the story behind this one. Best, Nicolas Tattaglia.
Let me jump in to your boat for a cruise....
That is the most amazing panerai collection I've ever seen.. I would like to know what model is the one on the front left, it looks like a 201/a destro... Amazing collection.... Best, Sam
I would not recommend you to jump into this boat...
It was called the Ship of Fools, and there is a reason behind this nickname, sadly... Best, Nicolas
In my case...
I´ve not seen nothing like the Marina Militare...is just sublime. And I´ve been so lucky because I´ve admired it on the flesh... thanks hermano. Late, I love the Logo. It represents the essence of Panerai (I think that I´m going to buy tomorrow a 000 or a...
With your Bomba, Emilio
Yuo have a part of the Slytech era! You know it, if you ever consider letting go your Bomba, you know who to call! As for these Pre Vendome watches, they are killer pieces, for sure. Love them all. Best, Hermano. Nicolas
Simple for me Nico....
Gotta say it doesn't look bad with the new models either... ...
Sublime 203/ A, Marc.
And in stunning condition, too. I had a nice one in my collection,, and as said before, these Pre V are pieces I regret having let go. Seeing yours makes me thin about mine... Best, Nicolas
That's very beautiful Marc...
This one look so similar to the preA4 yet is different. The font and the index are nicer on this one.. I hears that the PVD coating on this particular model is stronger / better compared to the other one? Is that true?? And by better does it mean that it ...
Thanks Sam...the 5218-203/A's had a different PVD finishing...
They were originally all supposed to go to the Marina Militare...you can still scratch them...it is just a tad more resistant
Thank you for the information Marc!!
Such an amazing collection you got there... Cheers, Sam
My favorite would be
the 5218-203/A followed by the 5218-201/A logo. I think these two would be a great pair to keep.
Excellent selection.
Luminor, Luminor Marina PVD, yes, this is a superb Duo. Both of these pieces need some time to be fully appreviated, to feel their strong and charismatic power. You have great taste! Best, Nicolas
for me...
and my dream is 201A 203A is really military looking tool by far 202A nice dial and font 218A mystery 301A stylish and from Progetto pam 40,that is one gooood looking Marina !!!! Man I love tham all! Best Jerolim
Impeccable taste, and great passionate answer, Jerolim.
Love your list, my friend. Too sad it is now reaching the sky! Best, Nicolas
my choice is made ," the return of 502" for me Nico :)
if you'd add the " almost preV" pam 21 , i 'd vote for it nice pics my friend. Ivan ...
My favourite Duo, Ivan.
Can't get rid of these 2, my friend. " Il Ritorno de Due Orologi de leggenda ". An historical pair! Best, Nicolas...
It's gotta be....
the 202 PVD for me. No particular reasons, to be sure, but that's the model that has me...salivating.... Cheers - Sergio
As said, Sergio ...
I regret this one has gone from my collection... A spectacular look, indeed with these 4 pretty balanced lines. Yes, this is an excellent choice! Best, Nicolas
you should not have let go the Black Seal
that is the panerai if you can only have one ultimate
My favorite watch is the 5218-202/A Marina Militare
... but the color and finish of the case on the 5218-203AA Luminor Marina is stunning.
Well, while the Mama Mia will forever remain out of reach...
My greedy little hands were just able to grasp the Logo! I just pulled it from the safe to wear (and maybe shoot some new photos) for Christmas. It still causes my heart to skip a beat. Kent ...
Thank you dear Nico
I had all of them at one time, when I got pissed with the company, kicked most of them.
Not being able to get them both...
even when I was wearing a watch daily, I like the 201 NM for 2 reasons: the dial and the history. 201 is the FIRST commercial Panerai. Had I chosen to feed the speculators, I would have bought ALSO the 202, which I consider the superstar of the pair, BUT ...
Dreamland 😍
From this one the MM for me please. I am as well pretty much in love with the logo non matching. But I guess they are out of reach for me…unless I sell some of mine 😱