Ok I will....

Is it wrong that just because I am able to afford one that I should express a reservation with it's ownership? If not, why so chippy? I'm sorry you aren't able to have one in your stable but that's not really my affair so please don't chastise me for not giving the 27 a verbal BJ. Obviously I think it's a great watch or I wouldn't have bought the watch in the first place?

In my opinion, all the luxury brands that last are the ones that tread the line of 'mass produced luxury' with the most diligence and on this occasion, I don't think RM have that's all. I think that a) after generating in the region of 20,000,000 of sales for it they could have either ommited the name NADAL from the 35 OR b) perhaps waited a while until at least all the 27s had sold through the various retailers they had sold them too that's all.

FYI, I used to design watches for the biggest luxury group in the world so I feel I am qualified to comment on marketing, design etc and own, or sadly in some cases, have owned some of the greatest watches in the world from vintage complicated Pateks to Rolex 4113s. Do you know what that is? If not google it as it brings me on to my next issue in your post.

A person that owns such pieces wears them because they make HIM feel good and are not worn for show as before I fell in love with RM most people wouldn't give me a dime for the watches I wore they were so 'stealth' to use a cheesy phrase!

I am not putting down RM, I adore their spirit and in fact they are the reason I have renewed interest in watches, a love that was on the decline until they recaptured my horological imagination again. Currently a love that stands me in at a fortune (though I didn't pay full rrp for the most part having bought pre owned when possible) so I think I'm aloud to express the odd reservation or two every now and then? Maybe you have read some of my previous posts under Da Guru?..

Not happy about new Nadal...

By: tom3 : April 1st, 2011-14:17

Owning a 27 as I do, I have to say that I'm not overly impressed with the introduction of their new offering at a fraction of the price. Whilst it will be heavier due to the glass / case material etc, the all important movement is only a gram heavier?!! H...

Well it gives mere mortals like me a chance to own such a powerful piece

By: BluNotte : April 1st, 2011-20:25

Of course the 35 can never and will never be equal to the 27, but it represents something that is purer, including a central seconds hand that hacks thus even allowing precise time synchronisation to the second. You can't even do that with a tourbillon. (...

I can sort of see your point, but...

By: RobCH : April 2nd, 2011-02:51

...Let's face it, Tom, the 35 will never be the watch your 27 is. It's not a tourbillon. It's hasn't got a clean-slate developed-from-the-ground-up totally unique movement. It'll most likely weigh at least twice as much. It won't have anywhere near the sa...

I can see your point, however, the Nadal watch is still

By: 219 : April 2nd, 2011-06:24

the Nadal watch. Still different materials, design, a tourbillon, and still the watch that is worn on Nadal's wrist. The RM035 is different watch, similar materials and objectives, but nowhere near the research that went into the 27. Think of it this way....

U guys sound like....

By: tom3 : April 2nd, 2011-14:32

Salesmen! Come on, be honest. Do you think RM would have sold the 27 through if everyone knew of the 35 waiting in the wings? No, they wouldn't. However, being the horological snob I am, I would have still wanted the 27 but I am slightly perverse or spoil...

I reckon that RM would still sell all the 27 like hotcakes even with the 35 known

By: BluNotte : April 2nd, 2011-18:02

Because really i do find the design very seductive! And as Andrew has put it out to be, totally NOT the 35. No worries, you have your say and such, and hell if i had your kind of fundings, hoho my collection would probably contain more of those "up in the...

Yes and no?!

By: Park 88 : April 3rd, 2011-07:37

Given how much you spent on your 27, I can see why you are a bit upset by this. However, given how different the fundamentals of the watches are, I think you can take comfort in the fact that the similarities are only skin deep. I would take the 27 any da...

the 11 ia an annual calendar [nt]

By: Mohannad (aka Riddler) : April 3rd, 2011-23:01

No message body

RM 011 Annual calendar?

By: Park 88 : April 4th, 2011-01:27

I used to own an RM 011 but I don't consider it a "true" annual calendar since it does not have a day function...

true but the date changes for the relative months 30,31 accordingly

By: Mohannad (aka Riddler) : April 4th, 2011-07:04

so it is in fact as true as any annual calendar

No, not salesman, and think that the RM027

By: 219 : April 3rd, 2011-14:38

will stand the test of time. The movement design of the RM027 far exceeds that of the RM035, as the RM027 is the Vaucher automatic reworked into the manual wind. Still a fair amount of R&D, but nothing like the 27. The 27 is one of the unique pieces t...

Your comparing apples to oranges....

By: Andy : April 3rd, 2011-10:43

other than the fact they are both black there are no similarities whatsoever. We all know in all watch makes a tourbillon costs significantly more than a non-tourbillon. This comparison is like saying you bought a RM002 and then getting annoyed when the R...

Silly me....

By: tom3 : April 3rd, 2011-10:55

Yeah ur right. Don't worry that I have bought a piece that cost 7 times more than a subsequent offering of theirs because I can afford it. Gimme a break!

I suggest then that you sell the 27 and buy the 35 if your that annoyed..!!

By: Andy : April 3rd, 2011-11:45

I didn't mean to offend you but what do you want everybody to say..? I am confused by your attitude..? Would you have felt happier if we had all said how sorry we are that people might think you have a cheap 35 on your wrist..? I'm guessing by your attitu...

Ok I will....

By: tom3 : April 3rd, 2011-13:18

Excellent...we'll see it in the market place shortly then..!!

By: Andy : April 3rd, 2011-13:57

Yes I have read your previous 39 threads (!) hence the assumption your obsessed with what other people think instead of what you think. You could get the Bubba Watson 38 which at least is white so will still look unique which is obviously important to you...

Are you dyslexic?

By: tom3 : April 3rd, 2011-14:49

If not, perhaps a bit slow but either way you should take the time to reread my posts again and maybe come back in........6 months maybe?! Then you will understand that they are the posts of someone that does not care what others think but only what is im...

Clarification for you.....

By: tom3 : April 3rd, 2011-15:01

'ok I will' was referring to 'enlightening you' as you previously requested not to selling my favourate, though now slightly tainted, watch at present. Ah, 'bless you'.

Yawn..Yawn...

By: Andy : April 3rd, 2011-23:37

Nobody else in this thread has been rude or offensive except you...what does that tell you..? Look up the new Bubba Watson - it's the same as the Nadal but white - the RM012 is completely different...I guess you don't know what your talking about after al...

Wot? No ones been offensive?...

By: tom3 : April 4th, 2011-00:47

You think that by acting like a school teacher while making negative suggestions as to the makeup of peoples character, rounding it all off by some paragraph or sentence of candy coating isn't? Hahaha. Don't make me laugh 'Andy'. At least I've got the bal...

Gentlemen, please... this is supposed to be a 'dinner table' conversation..

By: 219 : April 4th, 2011-02:30

and while I dont mind a heated discussion, we are all entitled to our own opinions. If Tom is unhappy at the RM035, then so be it, however, there are others who welcome the addition. I do not think that the RM035 detracts from the 027, Tom disagrees. Fair...

Understood but as far as being unhappy with the 35?

By: tom3 : April 4th, 2011-02:39

I'm anything but. All indications lead me to believe that it could well be the best watch they have yet to come out with due to their extraction of RMs D&A and utilizing it perfectly PERFECTLY in the new 35. I believe it will be their equivalent of Panera...

Not a million miles away from my own opinion, but I would

By: 219 : April 4th, 2011-03:03

argue, considering where Richard started, that the RM027 is more the instrinsic RM watch. Richard Mille started as a high end, time only tourbillon watch (RM001), produced in limited numbers, that would be improved with new materials, new ideas. That gave...

Hmmmmm...

By: tom3 : April 4th, 2011-04:33

Whilst I agree with you that light weight tourbillon are what raised peoples heads enough to look at his new brand ( of which for me the 9 and 27 are the ultimate) however, turnover and commerciality has to be his main objective surely? After all, RM isn'...

Interesting views...

By: chris4 : April 4th, 2011-08:07

Having held & inspected the RM27 I really struggle to see what you are concerned about with this 35. The 27 is miles above and beyond the 35, It always was a huge amount of money for a watch, there is only 50 or however many they ended up making. Just rea...

I hear what ur saying but for me:

By: tom3 : April 4th, 2011-08:52

1) owning 2 lightweight black sportswatches would be a little much even for me! 2) I don't think that owning a 2 and a 10 are sufficiently comparable to the two watches I am referring to. One is automatic and pretty basic where as the other is complicated...

I agree with your point and.....

By: CL : April 4th, 2011-16:39

I totally understand what you are feeling. Though I can't say I'm not happy with the release of the RM35, I can safely say I feel your agony. The best situation is for you to be able to trade your RM27 to a RM009 and then buy a RM35. I can't afford a RM27...

Thanks! As far as trading up, or down,.....

By: tom3 : April 5th, 2011-01:22

I'll stick right now seeking comfort in the stats (not 'struts'!) of the 27 still being the lightest tourbillon made not to mention it's durability. I wear mine everyday while swimming, playing tennis ( and o play twice a week ) yet it still keeps perfect...