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Patek Philippe

You can find 5164a at or below retail if you look around. They are uncommon but certainly not rare watches :)

 

I personally do like the 5167R. I find it classy with a twist, definitely the 5167R over 5167A for me. And I personally prefer the 5167 watches co-branded with tiff&co. That one additional line on the bottom does the magic and make the dial side less plain imo and it also retains value really well. I also pick the 5167R because it is cheaper in value compared to 5164R, when (and in case you need the cash) you want to sell it, you will likely find it easier to move than a 5164R.

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