Well.... not really....

Lemania movement found in 5070 and 5970 is not reworked...

To my knowledge (and please correct me if I am wrong) it is disassembled, refinnnised and
then reworked and reassembled...
So it is a Lemania based calibre but in a Patek way.....

Lemania wanted to have their name on the calibre, PP did not think that it was fair for
them considering their modifications and thus no more Lemania for PP....

It is a great movement that it cherished among collectors and earned a place in horologial history...

Yes, VC has a similar movement, but it is certainly nt the same...

Concerning the two new PP movements, they still have to "prove" themselves regarding horological merit...
Don't get me wrong, I am certain that they will- it is expected.

However 5970 is a collectors dream (at least for me) and has earned a place in the penthouse....

So, what would collectors prefer? Both...
But I assume that they would go for the 5970 first as it is rarer....
Also, dial and size are also factors....

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Lemania VS In-house

By: murcielago_boy : March 30th, 2011-07:10

Hi everyone. I wanted to ask a naive question. As we all know PP have developed, amongst many others, their new calibers for the 5170 (first found in that ladies chrono) and a further development of that for the new Perp Chrono 5270. What I want to unders...

Lemania vs In House

By: hutchmanz : March 30th, 2011-07:57

My feeling is if both were manufactured and available at the same time people would definately prefer the in house movement over the lemania but obviously they aren't. I would never trade my 5970 for a 5270 but I am in line for a 5270.

your comments are interesting MB

By: patrickh : March 30th, 2011-07:57

The fact that very few people have already seen in the metal 5170 could explain they could not give a full advice on the new PP calibre. And what to say about the 5270. For me, I like at the first sight the new 5270, and not the 5170 for the dial and the ...

collectibility

By: Bruno.M1 : March 30th, 2011-10:01

The 5070 vs 5170 or 5970 vc 5270 is not only about the movement but imo more about the asthetics I do prefer the 5070 BY far, I've seen the 5170 and it is a very nice watch. If I had the money I would buy a 5170 too ... 100% sure. But the 5070 is for me a...

My 5170 is sent to Geneve for chrono problem after 2 months of having it.

By: abd.dxb : March 30th, 2011-11:31

I might be the first one to post a problem with the 5170 chrono. While using the chrono and stopping it then restarted it again it jumps for few seconds which I don't have with other chrono from Patek. Specially the 5970. Still waiting for an aswer from G...

Well.... not really....

By: MiniCooper : March 30th, 2011-11:57

I don't think it's a naive question at all. This movement

By: whit : March 30th, 2011-14:45

discussion has only become an issue in recent years. When I was a dealer and the popularity of chronographs was gearing up, I asked my rep, who ultimately became President, why Patek had no chronograph offering at all. His response was that the cost of de...

Many factors here

By: tahoeblue : March 30th, 2011-14:57

and maybe not as simple as assuming that newer is always better or more desirable. Having said that, I do think the new Patek chrono movement is beautiful, technically and aesthetically. But I also feel the same about the Lemania. There are certainly tech...

Great question

By: tlw99 : March 30th, 2011-16:47

Great question to which you have already received some great answers. I have yet to see the new PP manual movement, but the mere fact that it is manufactured in-house means nothing to me. Given that historically all watch movements were sourced from outsi...

I think it all boils down to individual preference. There is no right or wrong answer ....

By: Aussie : March 30th, 2011-20:56

just individual choice. If you are just considering from a collection stand point then consider that an infinite number of 5270's can be produced in-house.

Well things are not always as clear and simple as it seems

By: TdotBean : April 1st, 2011-18:34

You ask a question that require a 2 part answer. 1st Why pick a Generic when there's an In house movement available? There are several reasons I will only focus on movement side of things 1. In house doesn't make it better. Season watchmaker will tell you...