The Patek Philippe "MacNab" - 5070p. 5970p and 5370p

Jun 03, 2017,08:39 AM
 



Based on the novel entitled “John MacNab” by John Buchan in 1925, the “MacNab” has become something of a legend amongst hunters. Explained briefly, it involves the bagging of a stag, a salmon and a brace of grouse within one day (between dawn and dusk). The Field magazine describes it as a thrilling test of sporting skill. It could have been pheasant, rabbit or pigeon. But Buchan decided on stag, salmon and grouse. Buchan originated the idea, so although there have been variations on the theme, stag, salmon and grouse remain the authentic “MacNab”.

On this forum, one often hears the description of “hunting" a watch. Indeed, many collectors will attest to the fact that the hunt for a watch is one of the most exciting elements of watch collecting.  The planning and execution of a strategy can bring a great deal of enjoyment.

Well, all this talk of hunting and MacNabs got me thinking. Within the watch manufacturers that i collect, do i have my own specific version of a Patek Philippe “MacNab”?

Lets bend the traditional rules somewhat as capturing watches within one day (between dawn and dusk!) is unrealistic. Of course, that doesn’t change the nature of the hunt as defining the three targets is really the objective.

My objective in this instance concerns modern Patek Philippe. What would I consider the Patek Philippe “modern” MacNab?

On this front, for my tastes, it would be quite easy to identify. Three chronographs.

The 5070p.

The 5970p.

The 5370p.

One simple chronograph. One perpetual calendar chronograph. And one split second chronograph.

All manual wind.

All platinum.

Now, of course, this permutation does allow some flexibility. The 5070 and 5970 come in several different metals. My version is the “Platinum MacNab". If/when Patek Philippe release alternative metals for the 5370, then perhaps we will see a rose gold Macnab possibility? Or maybe a yellow gold? Or white gold? At this point in time, only the Platinum is possible.

The irony for me is that the hardest of them all to acquire is the very first Patek Philippe that I ever bought. The 5070P.  I bought it in 2009. I saw it and just had to have it. I opened the plastic…it was born with me. It has been loved ever since. So much has been written about the 5070…..no need for me to wax lyrical here.

To be honest, within Patek Philippe, there are times when i see a watch and just completely fall for it. That happened last year when i saw the 5370P. The split second complication is the only variant of that nature in my collection, and such a cool complication. The level of finishing on the 5370P is something quite spectacular. The case design is just astonishing. The applied Breguet numerals..uhmmm… Further, with that deep black enamel dial. The decoration of the movement. I saw it and uhmmmmm. I opened the plastic and it was born with me.

The 5970P is something of a problem watch for me. I have owned it before, from new. Over the last decade or so, I have sold very few Patek Philippe. Most of the Patek Philippe watches that i have ever bought are still in my collection. Regrettably, the 5970P is one of the very few that i bought and foolishly sold. I was naive when I sold it back in 2010. Re-buying a watch that one previously sold is something that is very hard to do. So, when the chance came up to complete the Platinum Macnab, I decided to do so. Almost 7 years after I first sold it, I took the plunge and re-bought the 5970P. The balance of the dial on the 5970 is something that, for me, is the closest Patek Philippe have got to capturing the magic of the 2499 for a perpetual chronograph. The dial balance is a dream. I am also a sucker for platinum cases contrasted with darker dials….I find the contrast alluring.

The 5070. 5370. 5970………a true “70s” club.

The Platinum Macnab!




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Congrats Joe!

 
 By: dr.kol : June 3rd, 2017-08:49
I buy your arguments and approach 100%. A perfect platinum Pated Trio. Simply fantastic! Best, Kari

Thanks Kari....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-08:54
Oddly I see a MacNab in your future. 😃

Joe... Bravo. You corrected a mistake, that's for sure.

 
 By: amanico : June 3rd, 2017-09:01
And a correction which was mandatory, since you got the 5370P. Now, add one, two or three Platinum and you have dream collection which will be hard to beat when it comes to Patek. Which other pieces am I thinking about? The 5110P you already own. The 5131... 

.....i can see some of your suggestions....yes....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-09:13
....5110P.....already done. ....5131P......I am hopeful. 5960P.....i just can't get my head around the 5960 as a reference. I am having lunch soon with Miles and he will bring a 5960P as he agrees with you. For me, I am not a big fan of teh annual calenda... 

but Kari.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-09:47
.....you love the 5960 as a reference......i have never been a big fan. I will let Miles do his best to show me the error of my ways, but my money is not with him succeeding.

Amazingly beautiful and important watches, beautifully photographed!

 
 By: patekova : June 3rd, 2017-09:05
CONGRATULATIONS!! Now may I dare propose 5004P or 5204P, both split perpetuals and both manual wind. Best, patekova

ooh.....i can see i may have opened a Pandora's Box here!!

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-09:16
Thanks Patekova........catching these three was a feat for me. As you know, I deliberated a long time on the 5970 and the metal colour. In the end, the platinum won out. But a MacNab can only be THREE...... and i defined my three. Having said that, both o... 

Well, I think I speak for many in saying we look forward to seeing what direction that is .

 
 By: patekova : June 3rd, 2017-09:32
But in the meantime, I am going to put you on the spot. How do you rate the three in terms of sheer joy of ownership and wearing them?

i had a feeling that question might happen.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-09:40
It is truly difficult to say X is better than Y, which is better than Z. They all have very different personalities and offer very different things at different times. nahhhhh.... you are not going to swallow that, are you? Although what I said in the fir... 

a picture or two of the new addition....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-09:27
...  

Congratulations on this superb watch, a grail for many, at least for me...

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : June 3rd, 2017-09:37
Patek PCC is the benchmark so may I ignorantly ask why 5970, not 5270 or 3970, for modern Pateks? Thank you. Rgds Raymond

5970....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-09:45
......because I prefer the balance of the dial more than the other two references. It has a more harmonious balance to my eye. I also like the case shape more. The 3970 is on the small side for my taste for such a complicated piece. The 5270 is a consider... 

Interesting comments regarding 3970 vs 5970. Yes, I also prefer the 5970. Your comment regarding the size of 3970 for

 
 By: patekova : June 4th, 2017-04:20
such a complicated watch spurred this thought. I prefer case style of 3970 to 5970. So the perfect watch for me would be 5970 tachometer dial in a larger 3970 style case, say 39-40 mm. No wonder this would appeal to me. It is basically a slightly larger, ... 

yes.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2017-04:56
.....that is spot-on. When evaluating, i looked through the chronology of perpetual chronographs to see how they had evolved. Nothing has quite captured that magic of the 2499. Some get closer than others......

Huge congratulation, Baron!

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : June 3rd, 2017-09:38
And absolutely stunning trio! Best Blomman PS. This is why shop should always be closed....

unusually..... you are right on this one.

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-09:42
Many thanks.....

When you hit...

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : June 3rd, 2017-10:16
you hit hard!!! That's what I call amazing mature collection Big congrats my friend One I still have to see live Cheers D

That's a sublime trio! Congratulations!

 
 By: dom007 : June 3rd, 2017-10:25
Manual wound chronos in platinum with black or blue dials that dreams are made of...

Many thanks Dom [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-10:27

There isn't much to add; actually there is nothing to add.

 
 By: TheMadDruid : June 3rd, 2017-10:43
Even if I posted first I might have been speechless-or wordless or close. I congratulate you; and I agree you are wise to get back the 5970. It is THE Patek PCC; it's just perfect.

Thanks Mike....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 3rd, 2017-11:18
.....we need to touch base about meeting up!

I wrote you. [nt]

 
 By: TheMadDruid : June 3rd, 2017-14:12

Genuinely....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2017-00:33
I try to plan 1-2 years ahead. This is the completion of the chronos within PP. 5131p is a target. And of course important to watch what happens with 5230p. Beyond that, uhmmmm.....

A big congratulations on the "threebagger"

 
 By: watch-guy.com : June 3rd, 2017-13:34
I can see the appeal of having all three but this is a very special re-union for you Time to sit back and enjoy your hunting victims ( to continue the analogy) BTW I love the justification - you sure you were not a lawyer in your past life J

Correct

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2017-00:31
Time to sit back and enjoy. Unless.....

Congratulations, Baron

 
 By: Magoo : June 3rd, 2017-14:23
A terrific trio that would be hard, if not impossible, to better. Each has a very special and strong appeal. I hope you continue to enjoy them for many years to come. All the best, Mike

Thanks Mike

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2017-00:31
....impossible to beat? Well, there is always a bigger fish! But for my taste, these worked well.

Bravo Joe,That's one nice watch

 
 By: beejo : June 3rd, 2017-15:24
You needed that in your collection of love to see it when visiting London one day. Best, Ahmed

Thanks Ahmed

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2017-00:30
You are always welcome in London. It would be great to meet.

Aaaah, torture.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : June 3rd, 2017-15:28
That 5970 is a dream. But, I must be partial to the 5370... Well done, my friend.

I agree

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2017-00:29
5370 is king. But 5970 is a totally different personality. Complimentary in fact.

Absolutely agree.

 
 By: zabreg1 Mr White : June 4th, 2017-00:42
Once I put the 5970 on my wrist, I was in love. A pure beauty

Firstly Joe congratulations on completing your Platinum set. I am very pleased for you.

 
 By: Miles_151 : June 4th, 2017-01:08
I've got to know you Joe fairly well recently and our collecting minds are very similar it appears. I have a massive respect for your passion, commitment and shear love for this hobby of ours. You know my thoughts on the 5970p and how it will create an it...  

Thanks Miles.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2017-02:02
......i think if i had sold my original 5970p for "any" valid reason, I would agree with you. But it was pure and simple...mistake. I went through all the metals very carefully....but P was the one that worked....and for a range of reasons. Having said th... 

My friend. I'll bring the 5960p

 
 By: Miles_151 : June 4th, 2017-02:59
On Tuesday with pleasure as I am right about this one as well as the 5970. I've seen more 5970p's for sale than any other metal. The reason is simple. People want to fall deeply in love with a Platinum 5970 so much they buy one only to realise they are be... 

auctions......

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2017-03:26
the white gold has been the most sold metal of the four over the last 7 years....marginally more than the rose gold. The least sold 5970, not surprisingly, is the yellow gold as it is way rarer. I hear what you are saying Miles....but take a look at my co... 

Obviously you are only talking about auction results.

 
 By: Miles_151 : June 4th, 2017-03:57
Time will tell my friend but in the meantime enjoy your stunning watches. M.

Congrats on completing your MacNab :)

 
 By: crown comfort : June 4th, 2017-02:04
the 5970P is a true marvel. Had the pleasure to try this one on at one of the GTGs and the size, the look, the complication just make a devilish cocktail.

Fantastic trio

 
 By: Vwong : June 4th, 2017-10:47
I have never seen a 5070P and probably never will in real life, is it the rarest of the 3? The 5370 enamel dial is so much blacker than the 5970, I find. The 5370P looks less cluttered and has a cleaner look, but the 5970 obviously has its charms as a per... 

many thanks.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 4th, 2017-11:04
......it is probably right to describe the 5070P as the rarest of the three. Probably only 150 were made in a 1 year production run. 5970P, the production was for just two years and it is believed that around 300 were made. 5370P is now in the second year... 

5970P

 
 By: Mark in Paris : June 4th, 2017-14:27
You have a very nice theme and it shows how much Patek's references through their history have brought in terms of interest and diversification. Enjoy wearing your watches Joe and congratulations for the last 5970P. Best, Mark

Thanks Mark..... [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 5th, 2017-01:03

I did not believe it when you mentioned it before that you sold a 5970 P once

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : June 4th, 2017-23:27
Very good to see it is back and completes a poetic theme for you.

Thanks M.....

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 5th, 2017-01:03
Totally at fault with my prior mistake....

All the best to you, Juan [nt]

 
 By: Baron - Mr Red : June 6th, 2017-00:53

thank you amanico

 
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