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I agree, except ..
... your point " (mostly) mass produced".
We are debating about watches that are unaffordable for a great, great number of people in each country.
Regardless reach or poor if I tell a non watch-nutt what a certain "entry level" Patek costs the reaction is often the same: disbelieve.
I know what you mean by "non mass produced" Pateks but still any Patek is, in the meaning of the word haute horology, a piece of high art watchmaking.
Best
Moritz
PS
A great holiday picture that you put in here recently of the family and an orang-utan hovering above!
Face to face: Patek Philippe Chronograph 5070 versus 5170
Gentlemen, This is a theme that comes on the table quite frequently: which chronograph do we prefer between the 5070 and the 5170 references? I won't give an answer to that question (if ever there is one). But as some buyers wish to enter the world of Pat...
You're welcome H'
I hope you don't mind I created a new thread as I had prepared it already and thought having a wider discussion could be interesting for everyone of us :) Good hunt H' ! Cheers, Mark
Thank you Mark
For a great post. I'm sure that this opens a good discussion and many of those "quiet" members will get good opinions and material if they need to decide about the next Patek Philippe chronograph. Best, Kari
Opinions and advice
Thanks a lot Kari, I'm glad your appreciated it. It is the kind of interrogation many of us have when dealing with Patek Philippe chronographs and I hope they'll be able to refer to this thread if they need advice. Cheers Kari, Mark
Great, great post!
I am emailing it to myself to reread-I am sure I will find things later that I missed at first. Your analysis raises an interesting point for me. The 5070 shared the Lemania movement with the 5970. The 5170 shares its movement with the 5270. And the 5070 ...
I tried not to compare every details...
and just focused on different issues. It is part of the pleasure I think to discover what we like (or don't) about a watch. There may be some details we didn't notice and we don't want to know about :) To answer your size question, I think: The CH 27-70 w...
5070, still.
As said, the 5170 has a better movement in terms of " technicity ". But in terms of finish, the way the bridges are designed, you feel it will be a movement which will be produced in bigger volumes. The dials... You did well to post dials of some Patek Vi...
Thanks for sharing your owner experience Nicolas
Sorry you had to write your answer a second time, I thought this post was worth doing after Hspee's question yesterday. You know I wasn't that much a vintage guy but, concerning vintage chronos, I've been reading about them lately and some of the dial lay...
No, don't get me wrong, your post is worth a second answer.
It is such an interesting topic. Yes, I will have to see it in the flesh, and check how the movement is finished, but I have the intuition the 5370P is the new reference in terms of chronogaphs. Which was, in my opinion, of course, not the case with the 5...
Agree 100% Nicolas my friend...No more needs to be said except...
Great post again Mark and thanks for including my wrist shot...Cheers,
You're welcome :)
Your wristshot deserved it, thanks for sharing them with us! Cheers, Mark
Some very good points...
I do think I will be tempted by the black dial 5170. I disliked the first yellow gold version, the second white gold variant with arabics was better and the third iteration may catch me. However, I have a 5070R and think my move my well be to get the G ve...
You are too kind. I took it in the rush... I will try to do better next time I have an
Opportunity... Best, nicolas
Very good post on patek chronographs
Patek chronographs both 5070 & 5170 are good looking watches. I appreciate your post mark. Thanks. Best! Geross
Yes, they both are good looking watches
and so difficult to choose! Thanks a lot for your kind words geross, I'm gladd you enjoyed it. Cheers, mark
for me it has all to do with "apeal"
in contradiction of many other members I am less interested in the technical aspects of a watch than in the way they apeal to me, not that I don't have the knowledge of the tech specs but at the end they come on a second basis if I have to decide wether I...
Congratulations P@trick!!
This is a fantastic move and I hope you'll share many of your future experiences with this watch with us :) Back to your adequate answer, I feel that, for most of us, it finally ends at the same place: does it attract me or not, do I want it very much or ...
Thanks for this comprehensive comparison!
In the end it always comes down to, does the final product excite/speak to you. Both the 5070 and 5170g black dial are attractive, but for me the determining factor will be case size because this directly impacts wearability. My personal preference is for...
I agree with you...
especially on your last sentence. What can seem too simple may also last longer. The size is indeed another criteria and has a huge importance on the way we live with the watch on our wrist. Thanks for your comments H' :) Cheers, Mark
Fabulous Post
Gents, 4 years ago, I also posted a comprehensive (words only) review of the 5170 VS 5070 debate on this site... if you google "my review 5170 vs 5070 you can find it" Mark thanks again for a fabulous post.
Another face to face
Thanks a lot for your words and for your link! I just found it and added it at the end of my post as it is interesting to read such opinions. Glad your appreciated this thread MB :) Cheers, Mark
thanks for this post Mark !
probably my favorite posts … the iconic 5070 vs … something else this time the 5170, a good competitor I guess you all know what I prefer :-) But I think we can honestly say it is all personal taste and these watches are in the same league.
Hehe you're right, so do I!
When there is 5970 or 5070 inside the title it is very exciting :) And thanks a lot Bruno for all these fantastic pictures you share with us and that perfectly illustrate our beloved watches! Cheers, Mark
Great overview mark. Well researched and presented
however as most of us know we often collect with our heart and not our brain As you correctly say " there is no right answer" Both have pluses and minuses Being mainly a vintage collector I would tend to 5070 but I love the new 5170g I stupidly passed up ...
That's an interesting project
I think that aiming for a chronograph from Patek is a very nice program :) As looking for a 5070G I'm sure you saw Nicolas' last picture, it is indeed a very attractive Patek. Thank you very much for your warm comments Julian and have a nice end of week. ...
Excellent review, Mark
To my mind, it is like comparing a Porsche 993 with a Porsche 997. The latter is superior from a technical standpoint, but it is the former that everyone wants. I think you make many good points, but one stands out for me. The 5070 has made that leap to i...
Making the leap
Thank you Joe for your kind comments and opinion! Well, I think that a key element to become a watch that will be remembered is Time . The 5070 has had some, on the contrary to the 5170. Such an image has to be built on the long run, if ever it does of co...
One is not a (true) Patek and the other is not a (true) chrono ... strange timing at Patek
The watch world can be quite strange at times: Patek is releasing another chrono in many years and is using a supplier for the movement instead of developing one own movement. However it becomes a big success, possibly a bigger one than Patek was expectin...
Well, It is hard to define what is true and what is not
if we're talking about a way to say what is true to Patek's chronographs history. The 13-130 which was used for a very long time until the CH 27-70 was a 2.5 Hz too. But, apart from that detail, the 5170 layout (case, lugs, dial, hands, markings, Breguet ...
Both are typical Pateks: undeniably beautiful and with a little "flaw" at the same time
In my opinion Patek comes very, very close in making perfect watches but still leaves space for imperfections, for their own definition and interpretation. And this is quite brave. A good Sunday to you, too. Moritz
Well...
Patek is making just watches. However, their main goal is the same as all corporations' main goal: to generate maximum profits. What I like in Patek Philippe is that their method of generating maximum profits is to (mostly mass) produce watches of very hi...
I agree, except ..
... your point " (mostly) mass produced". We are debating about watches that are unaffordable for a great, great number of people in each country. Regardless reach or poor if I tell a non watch-nutt what a certain "entry level" Patek costs the reaction is...
It's Mothers' Day
Butt still the person above us is my Mother-in-Law. At leat they look the same and smell the same. On the other hand, I would rather see the Mother-in-Law behind bars than roaming freely. Best, Kari
Well, I can but it depends really on the tone
I saw the blue dial from the 6000G and this was outstanding really. Some prefer lighter blue, as always it is hard to satisfy every Patek fans :p Maybe that, if I had to pick my favorite color I would still say the 5370P's enamel black with its Roman nume...
Finishings we of course want to appreciate it but not at the expense symmetry.
I see too often some of the famous watches being technically and mechanically ‘improved’ but very often at the expense of symmetry, personally it disturb me. My eyes, ageing may be. Or may be because why redoing what is born perfect ;-) A very interesting...
if I can express my humble and personal opinion: the movement too small for a large case (donut) in the 5070 is not acceptable for a brand like PP, while the decorations of the movement...
...of the 5170 (watch which I prefer overall) are very disappointing. For example, the decoration of Montblanc's Pulsograph are much superior at a much lower price.
Superb post,Mark!
I do clearly favor the 5170. Without going into the discussion of movement finish there is one aspect of the 5070 that clearly is a no-go for me : the very obvious small movement in a (too) big case! This is visible by the very large bezel which kills for...