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auction prices
have outlyers in statistics terms and sometime it is not easy to spot outlyers when the transaction vol is low. If we can get the "real" transaction prices of all second hand deals, that will be a perfect indication, but of course in real life, no such database exist. I believe you can use auction price as a reference but should not give it 100%.
With the winders, there are lots of debates that the clockwork should not be running 24/7, we should give it rest time (complete stop). This is regardless of how good your winder is (multi-directional and rotation per day adjustable). Occasional running of the cogs and wheels is good to keep the lubricant in good condition, just like keeping a car engine in good shape. Different people will tell you different stories, some will say watches are made to run non-stop to tell the time and you do not need to rest it. Do you have to service it more often? With modern day technology, the material used for the cogs and wheels may last for many many years, why do we have to worry about the wear and tear. Does it sound like a trick from the manufacturer to run and wear off your watch so you need to bring it back for service earlier? Perhaps experts on the forum can shed more light on this.
Help! 5070p or 5790r?
Debating between these two beauties for my first Patek (starting off fairly aggressively). Both speak to me on the wrist. I can afford either but not both as the 5970 is approximately 30% more expensive. My other watches are a Breguet 3787 wg and Lange 1 ...
Winding and wearing habits
Although I don't recall seeing this discussed in the past, one practical issue you may want to consider is the time it takes to set the 5970 if you let it wind down. If you would leave it at home while traveling yet wanted to wear it each time you were ho...
Park makes excellent points
From a practical perspective that should be carefully considered. In terms of preference, I really like the 5070 series. But I find myself strongly preferring certain metals over others. I much prefer the white and yellow gold over the platinum and rose. ...
5070P is now on par with 5970
in terms of auction price in a recent auction in Hong Kong. Although you can't completely trust auction results, this will provide you a slight clue as to the "value". I will go for 5070p but the premium is just crazy. I totally agree with Park on the set...
....auctions and winders.....
Thank you. And very good point regarding practicality of setting a manual perp calendar. Two questions that may take us off-topic: 1. Why can't you entirely trust auction prices....the fear that mr. Stern is doing the buying? 2. What are some issues with ...
auction prices
have outlyers in statistics terms and sometime it is not easy to spot outlyers when the transaction vol is low. If we can get the "real" transaction prices of all second hand deals, that will be a perfect indication, but of course in real life, no such da...
Contrary to some posts above,
there is nothing difficult about setting the 5970 after it has run down for a few days. One option is just to advance the minute/hour hands. Even easier is to use the pusher at 11:00, which advances all displays by one day. And with this bit of effort, yo...
You are on the precipice of a great decision
whichever way you eventually go. My input, owning both references, is to go for the 5070P. This is because you will wear it more, and if you ever needed to free up the cash you will have 5 buyers for it for every 1 buyer of the 5970. Re the premium, yes t...
both are wonderfull , but I'll take the 5070P
a 5070 always ment something special to me. A 5970 is nice and more complicated but being more complicated doesn't make it more elegant
+1
I won't say the 5970 is less elegant, maybe the contrary in my eyes, but the 5070P is much "stronger". Hate it or love it it is a beast that catches your heart, the 5970 is a (very) beautiful watch, the 5070 is a heartbreaker.
If you look at the history : today
Lets not compare modern pieces, rather lets look at the vintage pieces. Patek 130 or 530 versus Patek 1518 or 2499 ..... have a look at their auction results, if only we can learn from history, then the answer is quite clear. Happy hunting.
Disagree
I don't think the comparison has any sense here. And 530 is a VERY valuated chronograph a good example of a chronograph more valuated than a chronoQP. I suppose you wanted to write 533... However I don't think you can compare vintage with nowaday producti...
Tic toc makes sense to me
What he is saying is that in the long-run a perp cal chrono will be more highly coveted than a plain chrono. I prefer the 5970 to the 5070 and in fact tried to trade my 5070p for a 5970 last year but got no takers!
Without hesitation, the 5970.
I don't own a 5970 but I do have the 3970 so let me put it this way ... unless I'm starving to death, I'll sell everything down to my underwear before I let it go. The 5070 is certainly very nice and less expensive ... but given a choice .... the 5970. I ...
Both are great ...
... but I would go for the 5970. Having looked at both on the internet now, I must say, that I prefer the 5970. Furthermore, I think, that in terms of value the perpetual calendar is a very sensible complication. But with those two to choose from, you can...
5970
The 5970 is a beautiful complications, in the future will give more satisfaction of 5070p....history teaches Marco Italy
Thank you for all the...
Thank you for all the comments. Very helpful and insightful. I've decided on the 5070p (both are aesthetically pleasing in different ways), primarily because it is a lower price point...i'm already starting fairly high on the PP food chain so...
As an owner of both my reply would have been simple...........
a year ago I would have thought about it for about 2 seconds and then come back without delay with Are you mad??? 5970 all day long..... BUT I had one of the first 5070p's that came into the UK and sold my 5070wg to help with the purchase...... How do I f...
"So ugly it's beautiful" Brilliant!...
"So ugly it's beautiful" Brilliant! I'm a little surprised someone had trouble trading a 5070p given their limited quantities - maybe some think it's not worth the price for a "simple chrono" Sent via BlackBerry® from Batelco
Wow!!!! Is the other 5970 a J or R???
Miles, although your 5970p and 5070p are both gorgeous your OTHER 5970 has stolen the show.... What is it? a J? or an R? There is a classicism, beauty and warmth in that piece which IMO, make it the most beautiful of the three. For me, rose but especially...
5070...
I have owned 5070P and 5970P.... as a watch, the 5970 is better balanced. But as a watch, 5070P wins for me. It has something extra...something that cannot be defined in words....it is without doubt the one to buy. It was my first Patek too....and I still...
5970
To me its clear the 5970 is the way to go. Far more complicated watch. I also think the market will soon cool on the 5070s. There is a slew of them in all flavors on the market at high prices, how long it will hold up, who knows when the new chrono shows ...
Good point about the impact...
Good point about the impact of the new 5170 on 5070 pricing. However, I thought the 5070p was made in such limited quantity (even relative to any 5970) that the price would hold up relatively well. Sent via BlackBerry® from Batelco
supply....
I am looking forward to Bruno's explanation on supply and pricing..... if price is all that matters, then I am not sure which will go up more. If you asked me to guess which was made in greater volume, i would say 5970....5070P was made for just one year ...
All I can say on Supply is...........
What my Patek AD told me bearing in mind he had sold me a 5970rg and a 5070wg.....He is convinced that the 5070p was made in far fewer numbers of all the 5970's and 5070's.... He explained that he had multiple watches in each colour of each models and onl...
No, we will never truly...
No, we will never truly know the true production number... What we do know is that there are probably 300/350 max (PP stated production of c. 250 / year and production of 5070p for approximately a year). With that few items in circulation, there is probab...
My AD was in a similar situation as Miles'.
He was able to get me a 5970p but he was unable to obtain the 5070p. In fact, he said he never saw one while it was in production. Darma recently found an old PP Magazine article where PP stated that the 5070 production was limited to 250 per year in the ...