Patek Philippe

Maybe an unfair comparision, but still... I'm not a very big fan of steel or sports watches, but after a recent hollyday it became clear to me that I need one. Wearing precious metals in rough environments is nerve wrecking... So, 5960 or Daytona? Price w...  

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If you keep on mentioning words such as "price", this forum -as well as the entire internet- will explode. I will have you banned if you do it again!

No more money talk...

We don't talk about value and rebates (more subjective, debates on the relationship people have etc...) but we can mention comparative budgets, no problem, that's even better to understand what people want and give better opinions Cheers, Mark

As you know we have strict rules and the bare mentioning of "money", "budget" and the like will destroy the spirit of this forum. I suggest to have this thread removed altogether. If the thread opener is concerned about "money" he/she should post somewher... 

nothing away from the spirit of the forum so I suggest that you post somewhere else.

.....i think Thomahof's post is perfectly acceptable. There is absolutely no issue of banning in this case. In fact, I think he makes a very valid point....and in keeping with the spirit of the forum. Good manners .... as if you were at a cocktail party..... 

.....the posters comments on price comparison are completely acceptable.

dangerous than mentioning the vague idea of pricing comparison. He didn't post numbers and the moderator is fine with it so..move on and try to be cordial.

5960 is never really going to be a sports watch. With its 3 bar water resistence, you cannot even afford to take a shower with it. Besides, it cannot be compared to the Daytona in terms of robustness. It is you that can decide how sporty you need it to be... 

I personally prefer the 5960 but it is definitely not a sports watch. The 116500 is absolutely a sports watch and will have that Rolex durability. I saw pick up the 5960 and get a Tudor Black Bay for those days you need something nice yet rugged without b... 

I also have a Quartz Tag Heuer for that - but I guess the watchprosite police would have me arrested for that. I have not looked closely into Tudor before, but that one was really nice!

you can't go wrong..same family

Let us know what would be your final choice. Best wishes Alkiro

Also, 3 bars is good enough for me. I deal with greens and fairways. Unless Im very out of bounds, I should be ok. It takes something to get used to the 5960, but it might become an absolute classic! But that Daytona is an absolute no-brainer or what?? I\... 

I well recall you saying just that Nicolas when here in HK. I still have a soft spot for the 1A but I'm not sure I see it as a sports watch in quite the same way as the Daytona.

If this can help : I m not a Rolex fan and don\'t own any except a silly diamond bezel one. I own a 5960/1a and it\'s one of my favourite PP I tried this black bezel/white dial new Dayto (I don\'t even now it\'s ref or name) but I really liked it. Maybe t... 

you said it yourself. I have a black dial steel Daytona and a 5960P-016 myself. PP is in a complete different league than Rolex, shouldn't be talked about together. Rolex is not that great of a watch really, mass produced just clever marketing. Price also... 

I like both watches and totally understand your will to get a steel watch for some activities. The 5960 and even I think the Daytona may not appreciate shocks like playing golf on the long run though. The thing is that it is horologically 2 very different... 

At the moment - 5960/1A top of my wish list (Lord Christmas are you monitoring this thread?) and would win against any watch. It\'s this forums fault with all the amazing posts of it - was not such a big fan before seeing actual wrist shots.

..with one more wrist shot! ...  

I will add you to the list of tormentors (they know who they are )

I was put off by the date frames, which I somehow thought was plastic, or at least looked plastic-ish. Now I have learned that they are in fact blackened white gold, and that this process is also used on some of the grand complications. Now that is someth...  

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very versatile and nicer in my opinion.

I have the blnr gmt master 2 and love it. To be clear. I am not a Rolex guy, but when I'm basically not at work or going out I'm generally rough on watches and I'd be afraid the Patek couldn't hold up... just not what it's made for imo. If you wanted to g... 

I've had the 5960/1A for the last 6 months and absolutely love it, so I'm biased here. The case, bracelet, dial...all epic. Some are put off by the date windows, but I really don't notice it in use. Great watch and very comfortable as a daily wearer. Go f...  

and thanks for sharing your experience, very helpful for new owners. About your golf question, I didn't have the perfect answer but from my readings over the years, the vibrations are quite significant (more than the G issue). I've been wearing my Zenith ... 

A chronograph that - up until 1988 - you couldn't GIVE AWAY, that has NO DATE, versus a flyback chronograph with an ANNUAL CALANDAR. I wouldn't decide between these. The Daytona is a very popular model, and MANY of them will be produced. Patek's total pro... 

Thanks!!

The differences are so vast that to pit it against each other is a mismatch. However, the Steel Daytona at this point is elusive and very hard to get. Other than price, what are the pros and cons that you can live with because that is what it will come do... 

forgetting value/investment, on pure aesthetics, for me it's Daytona. To my eye, 5960 a Patel mistake - too busy and for me too blingy, esp with the ss bracelet. No offense intended to the many purists who love it! Daytona in steel - far more classic. Not... 

I think I can agree with you.

5960 is a beautiful watch with usable annual calendar on top of the chrono feature. The only thing I dislike is band, which is something a new bracelet/band can easily fix.

The more I appreciate the bracelet. Although at first I thought it was hideous! The patek Newman. Who can resist that description!? Nicolas has a way of getting into my head. Same with the "travel in your mind" thing.

Pics after you have secured the purchase. Enjoy it in the best of times. Have a great weekend

Get both ;-) Sorry for this bad advice. Let me explain my POV Anectode : Had lunch yesterday with 4 guys. All of them had the new Dayto , white dial ! (Hopefully they have all very good tastes because they loved my 5905p black dial ;-) ) My father has it ...