Chromatic Fugue
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3940 dial question
Jun 23, 2021,01:22 AM
My favorite of my watches is this 3940P, which I bought from a very reputable dealer a couple of years ago, with box and papers dated 2006:
Here’s my question. In certain hardly noticeable respects, this dial is different from others I’ve seen from the same vintage and is similar to those of earlier vintages. For example, the “J” in “JAN” has a serif at the top, whereas a 2005 version I recently saw does not. Also, the sigma at the bottom of the dial is below the line of applied dots, whereas on the 2005 version it is aligned with them. I came across an article from A Collected Man that provides an extraordinarily detailed account of all the tweaks to this reference over the years, and it identified these features of my 2006 watch as characteristics of the “second series,” superseded by the third. Here’s the quote:
“THIRD SERIES (1995 — 2007)
At first glance there is very little to differentiate the second and third series, but the main detail that we have been able to spot is the positioning of the Swiss sigma at the bottom of the dial. Now it falls in line with the outer minute track. The sub-dials were also updated to a more modern sans serif font type, which can most easily be noticed by comparing the numbers ‘5’ or the letter ‘J’. Additionally, the hallmarks were no longer stamped on the side of the case, but instead can be found on the back of all four lugs.”
So how should I think about the fact that my very late model (2006) 3940P has a dial reminiscent of dials produced years earlier? How likely is it that Patek used two different dials for 3940P’s during this later period? Do I need to worry about the authenticity of this watch or the dial? I’m not one who usually loses sleep over such things, but it was a major purchase, so I’m obviously curious. Thanks for any insights and wisdom!
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3940 dial question
By: Chromatic Fugue : June 23rd, 2021-01:22
My favorite of my watches is this 3940P, which I bought from a very reputable dealer a couple of years ago, with box and papers dated 2006: Here’s my question. In certain hardly noticeable respects, this dial is different from others I’ve seen from the sa...
Lovely watch
By: Bob L. : June 23rd, 2021-01:47
That’s a great shot of a classic watch. I can’t recall what year my 3940P is from, but it looks a lot like yours — and the dial features you note are the same. ...
Don't obsess too much...
By: mdg : June 23rd, 2021-02:27
...this goes into the 'if I could only have one watch' category : )
A very good question.
By: Chromatic Fugue : June 23rd, 2021-03:06
Not the best photo, because it reflects the yellow paint on the walls of the room. Here’s a better shot. ...
Fascinating!
By: Chromatic Fugue : June 23rd, 2021-12:10
Mine says PTPR, which by your code means Feb. 2006, just four months before the watch was sold to its original owner.
Thanks everyone for the help so far
By: Chromatic Fugue : June 24th, 2021-02:45
Let me focus the discussion by asking the following question. Does anyone here know whether 3140s made after, say, 2000 sometimes have the type of dial shown here, with the serif on the “J” and the sigma below the dot track? Does anyone have such a watch?...
I agree with your concerns.
By: lascases : June 24th, 2021-09:57
This dial is extremely unlikely for a 2006 piece. It was used in the beginning of the 90s. However, I would expect that Patek would change it for a period correct dial during service if you explicitly ask for this. Maybe the best solition, as you are havi...
unsettling postscript to this thread
By: Chromatic Fugue : July 27th, 2021-15:25
After getting helpful feedback from this group, I went back to the well-known company that sold me this "full kit" 3940P with 2006 papers. I noted the discrepancy between the second-series dial and the third-series date on the papers and asked whether per...