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Not sure how to feel about this

 
 By: skyeriding : January 13th, 2018-02:13
The good is, it is an excellent value for a high end rattrapante inhouse movement with two column wheels and being relatively thin too.

On the other hand, besides some changes to the bridges and clutch of the chronograph, it appears near identical to the only watch. I wonder how the purchaser of that piece would feel after the publicity that itll be a "one-off" movement...

Nevertheless, I digress. It is a great contender to other high end chronographs I feel! Expected this to encroach into the six digits honestly

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skyeriding
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Did I miss the price? [nt]

 
 By: shafran : January 13th, 2018-02:31
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Only watch was for charity , not for scoring a deal.... [nt]

 
 By: moc : January 13th, 2018-04:02
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Plus the only watch was in tantalum...the only one of this model in tantalum. [nt]

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : January 13th, 2018-05:13
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Plus, the big date is new and the rocker system for the pushers [nt]

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : January 13th, 2018-14:26
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Do I misunderstand the meaning of „Monopoussoir“?

 
 By: shortys home : January 13th, 2018-02:15
To me it means the absence of multiple Chronograph pushers, all operations done through one pusher only.

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Henrik
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+1

 
 By: Alkiro1 : January 13th, 2018-02:17
Best wishes

Alkiro
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The monopoussoir in the context of rattrapantes refer to the chronograph portion

 
 By: skyeriding : January 13th, 2018-02:24
A rattrapante afterall, is a chronograph with an added rattrapante module. You need a minimum two pushers for each separate function - it'd be impossible to have one button controlling both as they are independent.
Hence, the monopusher does start/stop/reset of the chrono here. The other button starts/stop the splits seconds.
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I get that. With the risk of appearing stubborn, it’s still not a Monopoussoir...

 
 By: shortys home : January 13th, 2018-02:43
Each Rattrapante has a single pusher to operate that specific function, in this case it is simply integrated in the crown...

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Henrik
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Big fan of the movement but not the case/bezel/bracelet and date window. And like Shortys Home wrote, why “monopoussoir” when you have two pushers?

 
 By: Alkiro1 : January 13th, 2018-02:22
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Alkiro
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Three 🤓 [nt]

 
 By: shortys home : January 13th, 2018-02:56
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I’m old now. I’ll buy glasses 🧐😁

 
 By: Alkiro1 : January 13th, 2018-02:58
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Mmmmmm dont know about these FPJs .

 
 By: Watchonthewrist : January 13th, 2018-03:16
Think i need to see them in person first
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Further details

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : January 13th, 2018-03:30
Early days of the chronograph_
Talking about the word chronograph, you will probably think of Nicolas-Matthieu Rieussec. And for good reason, since he invented, in 1822, the
mechanism for “writing the time”, which derives its name from the Greek chronos and graphô. Yet, summing up the history of the chronograph in
this way would deprive you from the rest of this exciting story and the steps that led to the invention of the modern chronograph.
Even before contemplating to measure the time, instruments capable of displaying the time with extreme accuracy and to determine the seconds
were needed. Research of astronomers, mathematicians and watchmakers is thus correlated. George Graham (1673-1751) seems to be the first
to be interested in a mechanical solution for the division of seconds (theoretically 1/16 of a second) to then measure the duration of a phenomenon.
Problems encountered: the device does not display the time and must be set to 0 and stopped manually.
The next step is the display of the independent second: an independent seconds-hand is incorporated on a mechanism displaying the time, by
means of an additional gear train that allows displaying the time division(1/5 of a second for 18,000 vibrations per hour) with a start/stop function
that does not influence on the watch functioning. While Jean Romilly, Geneva watchmaker settled in Paris presented to the Royal Academy of
Sciences a watch with repeater and off-centered seconds in 1758, Jean-Moïse Pouzait proposed in 1776 an independent dead bet second watch.
Scientists for whom measurement of time was associated with many of their experiences, were particularly seeking for precision instruments.
Louis Moinet, inspired by the work of astronomers and aware of their needs, offers in 1816 his version of a counter. This invention, which he named
“compteur de tierces”, is described in his Traité d’Horlogerie of 1853 (Volume II, p. 430-431). With a seconds-hand showing the 1/60 th, that is a
balance wheel beating 216,000 vibrations per hour, we can easily imagine the difficulties associated with this counter: lubrication, premature wear,
energy consumption, etc... It should be noted that in this same treaty he doesn’t hesitate to largely quote the works of his peers at the time.
Meanwhile, soldiers sought to give more precision to their shots with these precision instruments. The works signed by Breguet also contain
“military counter to count the troops’ pace.” These devices beat 76 times per minute instead of 60 times. We find descriptions thereof starting 1819.
Lighter but just as strategic aspects, especially for bookmakers, led Rieussec to his invention that gave his name to the chronograph, used in
horse racing: it included an enamel dial that turned on itself in 1 minute. On this enamel dial was painted a scale of seconds stringing under a
system that placed a drop of ink when a button outside the box was operated. This watch was writing the time, thus the name derived from
the Greek “Chronos”- the time and “Graphô” - to write that gave the name used today “chronograph”, that should not be confused with the chronometer,
qualifying a precision timepiece.
The system was improved, including by the watchmaker Frédéric-Louis Fatton, student of Abraham-Louis Breguet. His watch had a fixed dial and
its seconds-hand had a small ink tank. This hand was fitted with a device connected to a button located outside the housing. By pressing this
button, the hand deposited a fine drop of ink on the dial.
The report of the exhibition of French industry products of 1823 thus speaks about the work of Breguet and Rieussec. The latter received a bronze
medal for his work.
As to the modern chronograph, Adolphe Nicole, from Vallée de Joux but practicing in London under the trade name Nicole & Capt, invented in
1862 the system that allowed rewinding the seconds-hand to its initial position after stopping it. It fitted his zero-reset mechanism with a heartpiece,
a component still used nowadays.
Complication particularly sought for its functionality, the chronograph has continued to modernize up to our days. Extremely complex to implement,
it requires great precision in its construction in order to provide an accurate reading of the time. Today, François Paul Journe is part of the lineage
of the great watchmakers of the 18th century and contributes to progress with the launch single-button split-second chronograph.
The split-second function for a faithful reading of an interval_
For a more precise and comfortable reading of these precision instruments, it quickly became essential to stop the hand showing the intervals.
In 1827, Louis-Frédéric Perrelet innovates with a two seconds-hands watch. One of the hands could be stopped at will and by a second press on
the same button, the hand was catching up the first hand that had continued its functioning.
Around 1831 Joseph-Thaddeus Winnerl invented a system of “split-second” that was stopping the seconds-hand, then this hand could catch its
stop time, provided that it didn’t exceed 30 seconds. The characteristic of this first system called “nib” and of the second system that he would
invent later, this time fitted with two overlapping seconds-hands, is that they are based on the seconds wheel and not on the chronograph’s mechanism.
We shall also refer to the works of Henri Robert, author of various articles of the Modern Encyclopedia, reported by the Société d’Encouragement,
in 1833, with the precise description of a “chronometric counter and travel alarm clock” whose characteristic is the split-second mechanism in a
register at 12 o’clock (see the picture).
It was around 1880 that the split-second function appeared in its current form. While there have been many chronographs manufacturers begining
with this period, the names related to the flyback hand are much fewer. And when talking about the flyback hand, we automatically think of the
most complicated parts, such as, for example “La Merveilleuse" of Ami Lecoultre, produced in collaboration with Louis-Elysée Piguet, who received
the bronze medal at the World Exhibition in Paris in 1878.
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What’s most interesting about this watch , despite one likes it or not is..

 
 By: moc : January 13th, 2018-04:01
The price point... that is the real discussion.
It offers a gigantic value for this complication, especially coming from such a prestigious brand like FPJ.
It make you wonder if the same price would ve been applied 5 years ago.
Probably the time of taking people for a ride is really over , it’s a bit late for the watch industry to wake up to it.

I am expecting an affordable repeater😂😂
Well done FPJ , nice move
Mo
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What is the price point, please? [nt]

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : January 13th, 2018-05:15
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Starts at 58 Swiss ...

 
 By: moc : January 13th, 2018-05:37
78 titanium , 106 rose Gold
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CHF58 for Ti, CHF78 for RG and CHF106 for PT. It does seem almost reasonable (if that word can really be used when talking about prices of unnecessary items). [nt]

 
 By: Jay (Eire) : January 13th, 2018-06:24
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Agree. I was pleasantly surprised. I guess I've been conditioned for sticker shock these last 5-10 years! [nt]

 
 By: Jay (Eire) : January 13th, 2018-06:25
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I fully agree with you, Mo. And I think the watch looks terrific.

 
 By: MichaelC : January 13th, 2018-06:58
This is an early 2018 Star for my tastes. Sure, it is still a very expensive timepiece, but you are getting quite a lot in return.
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Actually this is not a "real" preview

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : January 13th, 2018-08:43
More is yet to come...soon...
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As others have said, technically this seems like decent value for money. And, it's always good to see new developments from a brand in terms of calibre, function.

 
 By: Jay (Eire) : January 13th, 2018-06:38
Ignoring those factors, which I think most will appreciate and ascribe value to, I do also like the look/design of these watches.  While the old chrono was something I didnt initially understsnd, in terms of the design aesthetic, as time passed I actually found myself liking it more and more.  These maintain some of that look in the case and bracelet.

My biggest disappointment, from my personal collector perspective, is the size.  Yes, it's thin and that's fantastic but it's 44mm.  This takes me out of the game immediately, I can no longer wear 44mm and convince myself it's OK!   

I wonder what the rationale behind this choice was?  Any thoughts? For example at what point in the development phase of a new movement does the watchmaker decide, yeah, another 2mm in diameter would make this a lot easier for us?  Or, at which point does one need to choose between thickness and diameter?  (I have zero, or limited technical knowledge so please consider this when crafting any respsose).
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Guessing big date addition increased movement size

 
 By: Joepny : January 13th, 2018-09:38
But also the tachy bezel seems excessive on top of the Arabic hour numerals and the seconds track; I would prefer a luxury sporty ratttrapante to not mimick a tool watch bezel or alternatively, keep the bezel and change the Arabic hour numerals to applied markers to reduce the congestion. And the rubber side lining seems a design choice with little practical impact and more to show off a prowess with modern materials a la RM and AP. It’s a fairly thin profile and typically scratches are on not going to be on the thinly exposed sides.
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The minute hand...

 
 By: mdg : January 13th, 2018-10:30
...could be a bit longer and the case a bit smaller IMHO.
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The minute hand is longer in the TI version picture, just mock-ups [nt]

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : January 13th, 2018-13:01
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Thank you for pointing that out...

 
 By: mdg : January 13th, 2018-21:08
...the obsessive/compulsive nature in me focused like a laser on the first image : )
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