Officine Panerai

does 190 movement make it collectable? if so, what is difference between prod runs? also, how does 190 look with brown band and deployant? this would be my first panerai. thanks

They aren't rare watches, in both cases.

One is 45 mm big, and houses a JLC 8 Days movement, the other is 47 mm and houses an ETA movement.

The 232  has a brown dial, while the 190 doesn't ( except the platinum versions ).

One has a sapphire case back ( 190 ), the other doesn't ( which is a good thing, as the 232 sticks to the original 3646 ) .

Both are very appealing, and I would say that if you want to stay in some horological standards, I mean, if you care about the movement, so the 190 is for you.

If you don't care about the movement, the 232 is for you.

Simple, no?

Best,

Nicolas

This message has been edited by amanico on 2010-04-11 10:07:52 This message has been edited by amanico on 2010-04-11 10:32:37

Nicolas,

You always make things sound so simple.

At least I know what I would do after reading your advice.

Regards,

George

What would you do?

Best,

Nicolas

As I said simple I'd choose the 190.

However, for the moment I'm just going to sit back and hope that one day the 317 that I ordered back in october of 2008 comes in one day and if it doesn't then maybe I'll still be lucky and the 339 that I just ordered with show up first.

Best regards,

 

George

like me, when I was almost 'drowned' in the sea of PAMs... nic was one of those who presented me a simple guidance which worked out fine for me, straight to the point which literally removed alot of distractions and confusions when I needed them.

Anthony and Jed are another great guys offering the same sincere advise, plus many others out them. I've since bought my first PAM based on these advise and I'm having fun with it, the most important part I guess. Some took years to acquire the right watch, mine took much shorter time because of them. hahaha

Good luck and have fun.

Cheers to all who helped me!

Mech.

I would not agree with you entirely my friend....

the 190 is not as easy to find.....

you cannot compare the two movements for obvious reasons.....

and the size is more wearable....

But... on the other hand, I am biased....
as I own a 190....



cheers

You're right, both are to be tested in real before any final decision.

Best,

Nicolas

....and it really does come down to personal choice.

Some people love the relevance of the 232 and how much more historically accurate it is. They also love the brown dial and the simplicity of the face.

Personally for me, and for my build and wrist size, I much prefer the 45mm of the 190. Also, as much as I love aesthetics, I also love what's at the heart of the piece and the 190 8 day JLC movement is simply spectacular.

Finally - (I make this point a great deal) is flexibility. IMHO, the 190 is just a more "flexible" piece. If you keep it on the black croc strap, it can be pulled off as a dressier watch. If you want to go all "weekend warrior", then switch it out for an ammo strap and the personality of the watch changes. Again, my personal opinion is that this is less flexible to do on the 232.

Go with what your heart tells you...since all our motivations and tastes are different.

I'll leave you with a shot of my 190 on a JV strap

Good luck in your decision...you can't go wrong with either.

Cheers

-Sam

... my advice is to try on a 45mm Radiomir and a 47mm.  To me they wear quite differently, and I prefer the 45mm despite my large wrist.  Both watches are handsome in their own way and "collectable" for their own reasons.  Neither is destined to skyrocket in value, but both should hold their value nicely if that is a factor.

Good luck!

Jed

I love my 232 and while it has strong historic links as a diving watch, it ultimately wears and looks more like a dress watch to me.  This is were the problem rests for me, as a dress watch I just can't get it under a shirt cuff, I know it sounds pedantic but that's the reality.

I'm thinking of trading into a 190 purely for size because I just love the clean dial (oh, and the 8-day m'vmt  )

Have you considered the new PAM346?

This might be the better choice IMO, but the case is a 45mm titanium instead of steel cases in PAM190 & PAM232.

Brown dial, gold hands, in-house movement - what is there not to like?

(pic by Martin Wilmsen)

Cheers,
Anthony

It ruins a bit the purity of what remains a nice watch. It just could have been, without date, a very nice watch!

Best,

Nicolas

That date window w/ magnifier just ruined it for me...

I would have been happy to see one more nice watch from Panerai this year, after the 339, the Mare, and the Rad 42 mm with the manual " in house " movement.

Nevertheless, this is an excellent millesime, this year, IMO.

Best,

Nicolas

before seeing yours....

but, as they say... great minds think alike....



cheers

No message body

I would prefer it without the date....

the dial would be cleaner....



cheers

But hey, I'm biased.

 

 

collectability and rarety factor should not be of your utmost cncern.   Assuming that you're comfortable with both sizes, then it would come down to whether you have any preference on the dial layout and whether you care for the movement.   

i think i'm going to go for the 190 with brown band.   thanks so much.

if truth be said, though , choosing between two Panerai's models is equivalent to choosing which model of Ferrari or which colour, isn't it? Can't go wrong...

I don't think you will regret it, PAM 190 as some of the Radiomir DNA but it brings you closer to horological values thanks to that Jaeger-LeCoultre mechanics which in a big way is also true to G. Panerai when he selected an 8 Days movement for his 6152 & GPF 2/56 watches therefore offering less winding interactivities, protecting submergibility, only that Jeager-LeCoutre 8 Days is one of the 21^st century, making it more reliable than the used predecessor and more accurate.  A wise selection as the movement maker has a solid movements histories going back over 175 years.

 

I like both, but I am more likely to get the 232. I would probably go with the better deal. If money is the same, I would take the 232.