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With the Egiziano, this is the good surprise of this year.



The interesting thing is to have combined titanium and the 1950 case in a Submersible.

I was surprised to know that it was a 47mm case, as it doesn't look so big, in real.

The bezel is not new, as it was inspired from the 24 ( will this one be discontinued? ), with the graduations from 0 to 15.

The movement used in this 305 is the new " in house " Caliber P 9000, an automatic 3 days power reserve, which can be seen through the sapphire case back.



Now, let's see the dial, which is the only thing that is a bit disturbing to me.





Panerai opted for a mix of different watches.

Look at the Double vertical baton index at 12, and the single baton index at 6.

Does it speak to you?

Now, have a look on this dial:



The influence is clear, Panerai obviously took some elements of the design of the Radiomir ref 2533 for this ...Submersible.

And in the same time, mixed it with the round indexes of the Pam 24...

While the dial would also have been like that:



But the mix of round and rectangular indexes is disturbing me a bit, and even a bit more when the reference of the rectangular indexes is obviously taken from a Vintage Radiomir..Like the choice of the specific case of the Luminor for a ..Submersible.

Except this small reserve, this is a quite good idea, to introduce this new Submersible!

What do you think?

Best.

Nicolas
This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-01-23 04:44:31 This message has been edited by AnthonyTsai on 2009-01-26 14:24:04

to see a manual winding movement inside
so this one will not have passing grade on my class :0)

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Are you a hand-wound only Purist like me?!

Well if you are i definitely didnt know that till now!

Cheers!

Stephen

but you never know maybe one day some
auto comes around and I'll succumb to temptation
Cheers Stephen
Damian

on the dial.

however, my opinion may change... until i see the real piece

great caseback and movement nevertheless

"6 ", " 9 ", " 12 ", with baton indexes...Wowow!

Who knows, maybe we'll have a divine surprise, in a close future???

Best.

Nicolas

Because it deals with one of my grails, the 2533!

Well, even though Panny didnt do that this year, they might in the future! You can already see them doing that for this one!

A nice piece nonetheless, just wished that it was remontage manuel! Then i would have gotten it!

Merci for the report!

Stephen

As the dial of this ref is just stunning!

I'm curious to know if Panerai will discontinue the Pam 24, BTW...

Best, my impatient friend.



Nicolas

I also like the 2533 design but that would be more of a special edition.  I love the 1950 case, no magnifying bubble, the simple batons, the extra power reserve, the large seconds dial, the use of Ti to offset the 47mm size.  It's a great watch.  I think it would be nice if Panerai came out with a new 900x with a hand-wound movement.  But I understand the use of an automatic for this type of watch instead of a hand-wound.  A hand-wound would be great in the 312.   

I didn't mention it in my commentaries about this new Sub, and you're totally right.

It's, IMO, better and cleaner like that.

A Hand wound movement would have been a better choice, to me.

A nice watch, indeed.

Best, and thanks for your input.

Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-01-23 22:12:32

It's a dive watch.  It needs a solid back.

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Forgot about 'those' ones....

 

No, therefore they are not dive watches.

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Essentially you say "Don't all Panerais appear as dive watches?"

Clearly not - most Panerais do not have rotating bezels, many don't have movement indicators, and there are a whole slew of other requirements for "dive" watches.  Nonetheless, I think you would find the majority of Panerai collectors prefer a solid caseback on a "Submersible" watch.  It's just the way it is my friend.  Reply again if you wish, but I won't see it.

Nor do you need to put words in my mouth.

If you find some of my posts, you'll see that I am one the pedants on the topic of what constitutes a dive watch.

I completely agree with you on the solid caseback issue. My point, which may have been badly made, was that Panerai's primary marketing was on it's links to dive watches. Such as they were at the time. That's all.

This message has been edited by BDLJ on 2009-01-26 20:22:45

Clearly, it didn't 'speak' to me when I first saw the pictures. Now that pictures have been re-posted time and again, I am beginning to gather a sense of acceptance on these baton markers. Arabic numerals (3,6,9,12) are like a 'trade mark' to Panerai dials - apart from the unique Cali dial - but for once, I will second the motion of having baton markers on a Submersible. Personally, this proves to be a good diversification on the Submersible dials -- simple and true to Panerai origins, it is yet again a play of strong DNA and history.

 The only thing that bothers me is a display case-back on a Sub. It's own helluva dive watch and a display case-back is too 'pretty' on it in my humble opinion. Nevertheless, I believe Mr.Bonati would like to display the creation of the new movement in some pieces of the new line-up, but why did he choose the 305, is what I really want to know

I would really like this to be a T- dial!!!!!

This watch is really interesting, indeed, because..

1º - It don´t has a magnifying bubble for the date... Well done... I don´t like this bubble in Pam models, it always disturbs me.

2º - The movement has 3 days power reserve. This movement, I think, is located between ETA´s and "Pam P200x Calibers". The strategy, for me, is really good.

3º - The 1950 case is a really good choice. It´s like a "mix" case, with the strong look of Luminor Cases and the sexy look of Radiomir Cases.

4º - The choice of Ti for made the case is good... this 47 mm would be difficult to wear in SS.

5º - The water resistant of 300 m is like it must be.

But, some things disturb me:

1º - The kind of indexes, this combo choice, disturb me a lot. And the origins of this mixed dial are no well choiced for me... The use of round and rectangular figures is a bit disturbing.... but, not bad at all seeing the watch by a general point of view, but I´d prefer "normal 3,6,9,12 Pam indexes".

2º - I´d prefer a solid case back... the finish of this movement is normal and I think that it´s not a "work of art" to show. The movement is hard, simple and tough, like it must be, but I´d prefer a solid case back (IMO).

But, in general, this 305 Sub is one of the most interesting watches made by Panerai this year.

Thanks for your post Nicolas.

Best

Emilio 

  

The good thing is that this is not a LE and we have all the time to think about it...

And to weight the Pros and the Cons...

Best.

Nicolas

at 47mm at a low price!

Alepos

Compared to the premium asked, nowadays, to get a 127 / 217...

But at the retail, were are a bit above the retail of the 127...( bit less than 10 000 USD, if I'm not wrong ).

So, if the 24 is discontinued it's a big jump, even if we can't compare both of them.

Best.

Nicolas

However, my interests in Submersible has diminished when Panerai stop making the T-dial.

Cheers.