Officine Panerai

Panerais are definitely my new love - at this juncture, I am not sure what my favorite brand is: it's a tie between Panerai and PP...

 

As you can see, there are 3 vacancies in this box:

This is what I currently have: PAM 180, 192, 203, 224, 228, 229 and 277.

Any suggestions on what I should add?  I am thinking 249, 276 (another big step) and 292...  

BTW, here is a closer shot of the Three Musketeers - the Firenze LEs:

 

Hope you enjoy the pictures.

Sam

Keep the 203, and the 192.

Sell the others, and go on heavy stuff, like Logo and Mare Pre Vendome, why not a MM Pre V, then a Pam 36 ,and a Pam 40, a Bomba Pam 64, the Rad Pam 64, and the last one could be a White dialed Pam as a Daylight Slytech Pre V, or a Pam 3 or 10 A.

If you really want to go on heavier stuff, Sell them All except the 203, and go to a 3646 Cali, a 6152/1, and a 6154 " Small Egitiano ", then complete them with a Mare and a Logo Pre V, and you will have an explosive collection, my friend.

Roots, Roots, Roots!!!

Best.

Nicolas

Thanks Nicolas.

I will research on and pursue you excellent advice!

Best

Sam

 

It is very easy to loose yourself inside of it.

It requires some home work before going on it, and studying where is the exit...LOL

Seriously, this is the most passionate thing, with this brand.

Read, read more and more, and you'll discover and learn the real interest of this brand and avoid the show off...to go to the Essential, which is also the Beautiful....

This is so interesting!

Have fun, my friend!

Best.

Nicolas

flashy stuff (along the lines of your advice on the Quai de Lille), but does that mean all the newer models (of this particular brand) are not worth considering at all?

 

Best,

Sam

 

...and get the PAMs on his list, you will surely be crowned Master of the Panerai Universe! *bow*

I think that appreciating vintage and pre-V Panerai watches is a process that takes time and should not be rushed into, otherwise it will be that you are going there from the wrong reasons. Studying the history and becoming passionate about it, is IMO a must before choosing that route. There are many modern Panerai watches that will be great (you are missing the Radiomir line) and you may want to consider some neo-vintage, some of which Nico recommended (pre-A, A, B transitionals). If these will sing to you, perhaps you will find your way to Pre-V and eventually vintage.

 

Only my humble opinion,

 

Asi

To be studied before being able to appreciate them...

Of course, my friend.

Best.

Nicolas

If you don't love those piece and long for them it would be a waste of A LARGE SUM of money. I think those pieces are pieces you work up to and part of the fun is the search and all the great people you meet along the way to find the right 6152, 6154, ect.

Looking at your current collection I would say get a 249.

Great the 203, you broke my poor Paneristi heart with this formidable watch.

can't agree more.

you need some rads!

Alepos

Really appreciate the expert views all around. I think it's natural that we have some diversity. Every person has a different reason for collecting a certain piece. So far my criteria are:

- Whether the looks sing to me

- Rarity

- Movement

- And to a lesser extent, whether the piece can hold its value

 

Now I appreciate what is lacking is the history and the story behind the brand. I am glad that my post has generated some interesting discussion. I will see if I can balance the various themes in the future.

Sam

And congrats on the new acquisition of the Firenze set. 

I think it's fair to deduce from your criteria above that you're drawn to the looks of the Luminor.   Having said that, it would still be nice to balance out the collection with a Radiomir?   

You've also mentioned your appreciation of movements.   While this may not be the norm for the typical Panerai collectors, I do think you will continue to see many interesting offerings from Panerai.   As a matter of fact, that led me to many great finds over the years.    In any case, good luck to your ongoing quest for a greater collection.

And I will do some digging on the pre-Vendomes.

BTW, it was nice to bump into you at Christie's the other day. Did you get the "Tribute to Enzo Ferrari"? It fetched a rather remarkable price... I went for the HW Zalium Ocean Diver but was narrowly outbid

Sam

 

Sure you'll be happy with...

Here a pic to give you stronger motivations...



Beauty apart, it is interesting to see how some brands recently gave a Vintage look to the dials of their watches...

I don't see it as an artificial Beauty, but as a TRUE Beauty...

These watches have an obvious Vintage look, so the Greenish Luminova is not the best solution, IMO...

That is the weakness of the IWC Aquatimer Re Edition, and the strengh of these 2 watches and some few others, too.

As for the Cali, I even think ot was the forst watch to get this kind of tainted luminova.

A good job from the Laboratorio de Ideas!

Best.

Nicolas

I am confident of getting the Cali in 2 weeks' time...good thing that prices have come down lately..

I know I can always learn something new from your posts

Best

Sam

 

 

trying to guide you towards the ´´true historic line´´ via a shortcut hahaha...You will find your way eventually..We have all been there...I also learned a great deal from Nico..When I was just exploring and learning..he was allready talking to me about PreV 201A, 301A, PreA´s etc...At that moment the most historic PAM I owned was a 1A....His passion made me dig deeper into the history and when the moment comes on wich you see the big picture...you are lost hahahaha... Asi is right you will find your way....Nico can not help himself, he just wants you to get there sooner because time is money....The sooner you find the path, the better it will be for your bankaccount hahaha......These particular pieces are rare and like you other risti´s will find the path....There nare only few of these made so.....Read, read read and don´t try to get too far away from the path.....Best guillermo

The Background was very favorable with you, my friend.

You were already in love woth these Pre V watches.

You already got their power, their interest, and then " necessity " to get one or 2 in a collection.

You were even farer, with the 205/A ,and all your fabulous pre vendome.

So, my friend, you're the only one to be guilty in this story...LOLOLOLOL

It was a great pleasure, and a lot of interest to talk with you!

Best, Hermano!

Nicolas

a little push hahaha......No way I was in love with the 301A at that time...and now that I have one  I still can not understand why it took me so long...Lets face it..You told me a long time ago..and luckily I saw the big picture in time..I agree amigo some great talks..and I am very happy we can continue our discussions on this great forum.........Best guillermo.......

Love the 203!

Get what sings to you, but do understand as you search more deeply into this brand, you might hear a different song down the line!

But I think this is the whole thing about Panerai. But I would advise on exploring Rads, that would be a good starting point.

Regards
James.C

I do not see anything wrong with collecting current/recent model PAMs and, equally important, I do not believe  everyone (eventually) will, should or must seek out Pre-As, Pre-Vs or vintage pieces in order to be a true Paneristi and/or have a worthy or legitimate Panerai collection.  I purchased my first PAM approximately four years ago.  Today, I am no more interested in older PAMs than I was back then.  I appreciate the older models . . . love to look at them.  However, I have no interest in owning them.  Rather, I personally prefer the more recent PAMs. 

Therefore, to the gentleman who started this thread, my advice is simple . . . do your homework, research all of the different models, and buy what YOU like, not what others tell you you should, or will eventually, like.  If you gravitate towards the Pre-As, Pre-Vs or vintage pieces, go that route . . . they are beautiful.  However, if you prefer the more recent models, as your current collection suggests, there are plenty of great current/recent models to choose from.  As others have observed, your current collection is light on Rads.  A 249 would be a great addition.  Perhaps a 292 or a 322 as well.  You also do not have any PVDs or ceramics.  Consider a 26, 292 or the upcoming 317.  You also do not have any in-house movements.  Plenty of options there as well.

You have to wear these watches.  Therefore, buy what sings to you and makes you smile, regardless of what makes others smile. 

Thats my 2 cents.

Craig

Hhehe LOL!

I'd keep what you have and feel the same way as Craig.  It's nice to have one of the early pieces but I wouldn't go so far as to sell most of your collection to get them.  Some hardcore Panerai fans are "stuck in the past" (let me stress that there is nothing wrong with this so don't yank my arm for saying this ) where they only want to collect vintage, pre-A's, and Tritium dial Panerai's from A and B series because they don't like, in general, the new models that have come out.  Everyone is different and has different tastes, and I personally stay away from the older models since prices have risen pretty high, so your money might be better spent on new(er) models IMO.

And for suggestions on what to get, I would  fill the remaining 3 spots with at least 1 Radiomir - maybe a 232, 249, 246, 292, 322 (Tourbillon), or 274 (Platinum 10 day GMT).

Cheers,
Anthony

As the 232 and the 249 I quoted are 2 years old...LOL

Best.

Nicolas

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Just want to say that add something you actually love, more luminors probably

My point of view is I don't see any PVD Panerai or Radiomir in your collection. You might love to add them in.

Just my .02

Cheers