Jaeger-LeCoultre

I think I can understand your point of view. It was not my intension to be impolite!

But besides this I am of the opinion that a moderator should be neutral and independent and should stick to facts!

Ok, maybe JLC made a mistake. - We all make mistakes and I do as well.
Nobody is perfect!

But I have the slight impression that some people just don't want to hear this...

Nothing to add...

Best regards

. . . I understand that this is your first visitation to The Purists / PuristSPro, and perhaps you're not aware of the underlying premise of our forum: the model for behavior is the same as one would expect at a dinner party, and the moderator acts not only as a referee, but also as a host. From Nicolas's perspective, your entry to the forum was equivalent to an unknown person showing up at a dinner party and immediately issuing complaints; it would be boorish behavior at a dinner party, and is similarly viewed here. You're in a disadvantageous position because you are unknown . . . had you been a regular visitor here and established your bona fides as a collector, Nicolas's reception would likely have been more tolerant. At the very least, you could have opened by introducing yourself and posting photos of your collection before coming to your point so that Nicolas would know that you are not simply trying to create a disturbance in his forum.

I was a guest recently at a party where I didn't know the host . . . I had been invited by another guest who was familiar enough with both the host and myself that he knew that I would be a welcome addition to the party. Had I made a remark that drew the offense of the host, I would have immediately apologized and left the party if it appeared that the host was agitated by my presence, even if my remark was accidental or unintended. We all understand that neither your nor Nicolas's native language is English, but an apology, if heartfelt, transcends the boundaries of mistrust and misunderstanding. Please consider my remarks in the constructive manner that I am trying to convey . . . it is very difficult to have frank discussions over the Internet because context, tone, and inflection are non-existent, but I hope I'm making my point clearly. Cordially, Art

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I understand your problem... you simply want a perfectly executed Polaris, right? simply change your name to Polaris65

Going back on the 1968 tribute, the first approx. 100 of that series have a 'non-matching' dial, it is a JLC error!  However JLC knows that some collectors would appreciate uniqueness. I believe their sole intent to have released the watch as you now know it, and in time as promised, is to offer that uniqueness to those who can appreciate it. 

Being a JLC collector myself, I can tell you that JLC would do all they say and promise to satisfy their customers, this means that you are here offered to buy one the first delivered Polaris tribute (1968) as it is, or get the same watch received taken care of and put as originally specified, and no doubts as specified if it is what you require!

Out of all those that received one of the first batch of the 1968 version, I so far read of no one returning their watch. 

As for you... I see 'easy' solutions... go for Polaris 1965 or if 1968 tribute is not up to your standards, 'simply' search out for one of the remaining (original) vintages that are often 'non-matching' as well.  Either or your topic is fulfilled.

Have a nice day.

 

Tribute to Polaris screen background : ie hands and dial with fake patinated.

Just my wish and hope not to be disappointed !

cheers,

Why not simply calling it for what it is... TINTED LUMINOVA

To me using 'Fake' to describe anything issued by an original brand seems inappropriate, don't you think?

...I like BTW !

I would love it as well!

The name of this forum is PuristsPro.
A puristic opinon should be respected!

Regards

a discussion has to form.

You won't take anyone else's opinion but yours.

I hope you find what you are looking for.

Thanks Guille, I know exactly what I am looking for because it was shown to me since approx. one year:

It is this:
Not more and not less!



Regards
This message has been edited by Polaris68 on 2008-12-08 11:02:04

How is it inappropriate to call an attempt to replicate aged lume "faked patina"? I would have thought it's merely accurate.

Patina is a funny thing in the watch world. You can have a dial that shows evidence of water ingress into a working (ie ex-military) dive watch, yet for many the case must be unmarked! Then again, name a rational hobby!

I saw the prototype 65 and 68 in person and love to own them very much indeed.

I have no problem with the imperfection you mentioned simply with a straight reason: as long as it is manufactured by JLC and original from JLC. Where is the problem? Have you ever thought of a term  "mix and match" . Even for the watches produced in 50/60/70s/80s/90s,there is not a fixed/stringent  rule to have the same material or colour for the dial and hands. Some may think it is the arts sense. No all people like the same arts.

Again, some salute to the packing as well. But still, some may point it is not identical…So

It can be also treated in another angle that the imperfection make its story and perfect. A new legend arrives.

Hope you can make up your mind. No all people like the same thing. It is no necessity to push yourself to adopt others’ choice. Should you still love the vintage Polaris  look, hope you have a chance to seek one in the style you like and at a reasonable range to you.

Have a nice day and night.

 

And if in fact I was told that the watch I would be getting would match the first photo, I too would be disappointed.  However if I was told it was a prototype and the actual watch may vary from this, then I think things would be different.

I agree with you that it would be nice if everything matched, and I can see why you might be upset at the prospect of not getting the watch the way you thought it would be, and potentially having to wait for the new dial.

In any case there is not much you can do but accept it or refuse the watch.  I hope it works out for you.

Cheers, Al

I don't think I'll be lucky enough to get orange indexed dial. I am not saying it's more beautiful, but it's rarer in fact.
As Nicolas said JLC will change it for free. This is not a big problem. Another few months waiting is not a good news though.

My point is that why JLC does not give same opportunity to every customers of Polaris 68 for the same amount of money.
The dial change service should be available not only from orange to yellow, but also yellow from orange.

Why only lucky 60 people should enjoy the "choice?" I don't think it's fair. I am not talking about perfection as Polaris68 did but about the fairness to loyal JLC customers.
Am I alone?

Best,

Jean

P.S., This is very interesting issue anyway. Is it a genuine mistake? Or a calculated mistake by JLC? I won't be able to know the answer forever. Either case, Polaris rules!!!

Wow, I would be happy to see pics of your Vintage JLC Watches!

Do you own a Vintage Polaris, too?

I hope that you will share with us your JLC Collection!

Can't wait to view them and to read you.

Welcome here by the way.

Patrice.

I would be "over the moon" if I was lucky enough to have this dial variant. I would know that I have a rare, unique and most special dial variant of a rare, unique and most special watch.. For me, life wouldn't get any better.

As a collector, if you seek out uniqueness then this is a dream come true.

Many thanks, Patrice!
it took 40 postings before the first Purists member said welcome...

Regards

It would be interesting to see your watches, as a JLC Collector you say you are...

As here we share our Passion and Enthusiasm, not only Critics...

Can't wait to see them, too!

Nicolas

This message has been edited by amanico on 2008-12-08 22:33:09

I have read all the thread, and I did not read that Polaris 68 ever wrote he is a JLC Vintage collector, so this question seems curious.
BTW, I don't see how you need to be a JLC vintage collector to be untitled to have an opinion on a watch you have ordered, and that you are waiting with a lot of anticipation.
I have read everything, and, yes, I see there is much debate and much noise maybe for nothing, as in the end it will be possible to have a matching dial and hands combination (not the one that was advertised initially, but still a matching one, which I think is the most important).
But I think Polaris 68 just raised a valid point, and has been received very harshly from the beginning.
And I find that the questionning about the rest of his collection is out of place.
Since when do you need to be " a big vintage JLC collector" to be a good and respected client ?

Honnestly, I am very surprised by many answers I have read here to Polaris 68 concerns...

All this is just a matter of (bad) communication between members. Hopefully in the end everybody will be happy with his - modified or unmodified - watch.

But if the watch hadn't been released in this unmatching version in the first place (which I find odd), there wouldn't have been any debate, probably a better thing, since I see a lot of un-neccessary frustration here from all sides.

 

 

... but about the (lack of) manner in which the concern was presented.

Indeed a valid point for discussion, as are many others discussed as between gentlemen on the Purist fora.

However, when it appears that the point is not about conveying a concern/ expressing a point of view, but about scorning on a certain brand, it is a completely different story.

This, as discussing about the price of a watch, is in this gathering a clear faux-pas, be it intended or not.

Best regards,
Wooster

jlc.watchprosite.com

But you're absolutely right, it is not necessary to be a JLC Collector to have an opinion.

There is actually a difference between opinion and bashing.

If the debate was about non matchin or matching, why not.

If the statement was: " Well, these non matching dials doesn't speak to me ", why not again,

but Bashing JLC to have released the first Polaris with the non matching dials, while JLC offers to replace them for free,

I don't get it...

Everybody has obvilously the right to say they like or don't, of course, and it's perfect like that.

But creating a problem when there is no problems, I just don't get it.

Therefore, as for pics of Polaris 68 collection, it was asked by Patrice, and me, too, as it would have been a nice and good end to this topic.

Sharing our Passion ( by posting pics, for example ), would have been a nice end, don't you think?

Best.

Nicolas

Nicolas, don't take it personally!

As Clavi already wrote my contributions have been received very harshly from the beginning on.


As you shurely know phrases like:

amanico wrote:

"The watch is not good for you, so then don't even consider it."

"Then, let it to others who will be pleased with."

"and we all were waiting for the Teacher, or the Master to show us the Road ..."

"Then you came...from nowhere..."

"Aaah I forgot, I know nothing and you know all..."

"Have a good day, Master."

are not necessary in any thread!

Sorry, but I had to go in defence! But I apologise if I stepped on your blue suede shoes!

Anyway - believe it or not - my intension is not destructive and not to bash such a beautiful watch!

I am a JLC customer and I am concerned!

When I saw the first internet pictures I was very worried!

Green hands with orange hour indicators?
- Sorry, it doesn't speak to me!

Broad orange indicators with a thick white rim around?
- Sorry, it doesn't speak to me!

Looking at the dial under a flat angle there seems to be a pretty high gap between the dial and the inner rotating bezel?
Ups! Was ist really necessary to construct it that broad???

Yes, I can truely say I am worried and concerned!

Somebody might say: Why don't you send a letter or a mail to JLC and ask them?
Yes, but did anybody get an answer?
Is there any information about "faulty dials" on the JLC website or inside LeClub?

Open-end questions...

Regards

P.S. About your citation:

I wrote that I own a collection of vintage dive watches from the 60th! - Yes I do.
I did not write that I am a JLC vintage collector.

I am a respected member of another well known watch forum.
I answered many questions from newbies already and the first thing I say is welcome.
Thank you for being a fair moderator.

Thank you for your free and independent point of view!

I really hope that hands and dial will be matching in the "regular version".
I must admit I still have my doubts...

 I found this night picture:



Best regards

Edited: As per forum rules, please do not put links referring to commercial web sites. Thanks. Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2008-12-09 07:15:54

This message has been edited by amanico on 2008-12-09 07:17:16

Ok, I respect this!

Hi Polaris68,

I understand your frustration but hope you'll forget it soon when you'll see your watch!

I was surprised by the first pics of the real watch myself, but was very happy when I put it on my wrist.

Actually I'm used to seeing non-matching vintage Polaris.

I saw a matching one recently and was very surprised to see such a match: g

Maybe it would have been better if JLC had delivered the intended dial first, but I like the dial I have on my wrist. And I'm happy to have it NOW!

I should add that I have no idea of the colour of the dial that will be delivered finally, and if the hands will match or not.

Love them or leave them!  

Cheers

Dje


This message has been edited by Dje on 2008-12-09 03:24:13

... by this pic




Somehow it looks strange (at least to me), as I am so used to non-matching hands (which I prefer).

I guess it just goes to show that tritiun ages differently as we can see examples of both cases (although most frequently hands don't match) within a watch, and great differences between different watches.

I think it is not an easy task for JLC to come up with a "correct" combination of luminova pigmentation to represent the Polaris tritium "look" knowing that there is not a single correct standard, and satisfy every customer.

May be diversity is a good thing.

Saludos,

Tony

if you dont like it dont buy it.

 

 

Well… I do like it

 

 

And I have already paid for it – in august – this was the only way I could get this piece. I haven’t received my 1968 yet and JLC could change what ever they feel like – I still have paid for it.

 

But as long as my AD don´t go bankrupt - I will get it sooner or later!

Well ... I would not accept this!

I can search and find the original from the 60th.
The price is not so important when you keep it for the rest of your life.

The most expensive watch is the one you bought and you're not satisfied with!

Think about it.

This was my final posting.

Best regards
This message has been edited by Polaris68 on 2008-12-09 15:56:43

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