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Fleabay Alert
Vintage V&C chronographs draw eager buyers like honey draws flies, so it comes as no surprise that fakes are often found on fleabay. Having common Valjoux movements as base calibers also makes the job easier for the hucksters. This one represented as a Ref 4072 is superficially close enough to warrant discussion.
The dial is cleverly weathered but radium numerals/hands weren't a legitimate feature. "GENEVE" missing its accent.
Take note of the incorrect lug shape. Aside from mimicking the Malte shape of the 4178 chronograph rather than the tapered lugs of the 4072, even at that they have the wrong profile. The crown with Maltese cross (shamrock?) incorrect for the period.
Fake case back markings, lacking a serial number
They even added VXN to dress up this pedestrian Val. 434. Aside from the standard industrial finish and incorrect placement of markings, the regulator and hairspring stud are quick indicators of a non-V&C movement. Also note of the jury-rigged retaining screws required to fit this movement to the case.
The seller has been advised and I hope they do their homework then remove the listing, however, it will likely reappear somewhere else so be safe out there!
Photos reproduced for educational purposes only, pursuant to copyright fair-use provisions.
Thank you for pointing these details out
Vintage VC is an area I still don't dare to go...
Best
Blomman
A different kind of fake
You hardly ever see a fake vintage make out of zero original parts.
I think the case is trying to be a 4178, but it's marked 4072. No serial numbers, just an old valjoux movement with counterfeit bridges.
I also sent an email asking if there were serial numbers but got no response.
Pretty high end seller to list such an obvious fake.
Thank you for sharing Tick-Talk....
I had my eye out for a VC 6394 . But I will have to consider the possibility of a dishonest seller. I better buy something new due to my lack of knowledge and inexperience. Thank you for sharing. Best Regards Edward
Don't shy away from vintage
just educate yourself before taking the plunge. I've had a couple of 6394s aka linen bezel, they are really cool. Rolex, Patek, others, all have similar issues with fakes. V&C is at a disadvantage because there isn't much published on vintage collecting, but we have forums where enthusiasts share. If you put in the effort to research first, I'm sure no one will give you a hard time for posting a watch and requesting opinions on authenticity. Good luck!
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I love everything about this watch, thank you for this wonderful photo Tick-Talk. Best Regards Edward [nt]
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Brilliant Post
Really helps when you can teach others to recognize a fake. Thanks Dean.
