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I have a problem a positive problem...
I got today an unexpected call from an AD friend. He told me that he has kept two Anniversary Watches waiting for me:
5575G
and
5975G
He added that I can buy one if I want.
I did not even think about buying one because I thought it would be too difficult. Now I'm facing the real problem: which one?
Do you have any good ideas with reasoning. I have somewhere in my storage the World Times but I do not have an automatic Patek chronograph. I really do not know...
Best, Kari
If you don't know, then pass. After all, if your AD offers you those, they may not be as
Hot as announced...
And if you don't know, it is not Worth considering one of them.
Best,
Nicolas
Thanks Nico,
an intersting approach.
I have not seen the watches in metal so it's hard to say. I think both are quite interesting and in a way very exceptional Pateks.
Best, Kari
Good advice.
Although I know I'd take the Chrono. But if one is unsure, why take a chance and be unhappy later.
I tried hard to get a 5975G when it was anounced
but I guess in France, with only one AD, their are a lot of clients looking for one.
If I had found one abroad I would have got it already.
I love its case and bezel, much more interesting than the 5170's one, even if the 5170's case, more simple, is more classical and won't go out of fashion with time.
I just hope this case will be used in the future for a chrono (maybe next generation?).
I find the dial fantastic, very well balanced and I like the 2 pushers. Of course it could have worked with a monopusher but it would have been a bigger one and thus less appealing to me than smaller and more balanced 2 pushers+crown.
The 5975 is a measurement instrument and doesn't need subdials.
And I love auto movement.
So, this is my only opinion but at the time I would have jumped on it.
If you don't go for this one and you consider not getting it, would you tell me which AD sells it ?
Cheers, Mark
PS : I'm not fan of the 5575, but I'm biased as I'm not fan of wroldtimers at all... This message has been edited by Mark in Paris on 2015-03-27 15:42:11
If I had found one abroad I would have got it already.
I love its case and bezel, much more interesting than the 5170's one, even if the 5170's case, more simple, is more classical and won't go out of fashion with time.
I just hope this case will be used in the future for a chrono (maybe next generation?).
I find the dial fantastic, very well balanced and I like the 2 pushers. Of course it could have worked with a monopusher but it would have been a bigger one and thus less appealing to me than smaller and more balanced 2 pushers+crown.
The 5975 is a measurement instrument and doesn't need subdials.
And I love auto movement.
So, this is my only opinion but at the time I would have jumped on it.
If you don't go for this one and you consider not getting it, would you tell me which AD sells it ?
Cheers, Mark
PS : I'm not fan of the 5575, but I'm biased as I'm not fan of wroldtimers at all... This message has been edited by Mark in Paris on 2015-03-27 15:42:11
Thank you Mark. I really appreciate your opinion.
When I have made up my mind, I will let you know by PM. It might take some time because my business schedules are quite tight and it takes some time before I can see the watches in metal. Luckily, the AD promised to keep the watches till I get the time. It can last up to 2 months as the shop is two flights away.
Best, Kari
It's always easier
When you are decided on a watch, and then go hunting for it.
In this way it's you who are doing the driving.
When watches are offered, it's always a bit confusing because
you are being asked to make a decision on something you
May have not considered.
Is your interest in these watches as anniversary pieces?
If they were not anniversary watches would u still be interested in either?
Good luck with your decision.
P.s. I'd take the new 5170 black dial over the anniversary chrono
Which leaves the world time Moonphase to consider.
Manual Chrono > auto chrono.
Sincerely
H.
Thanks Thornteq
I did not consider these watches because I thought those are not available.
I have earlier decided to get either 5170G or 5370P. An automatic chronograph would also make a nice pair to a manual winding chrono...
Best, Kari
5975
but in Pt. If you prefer white metals - I like the 5975P best, of course I understand that is not what you have been offered but you should look at these anniversary pieces and ask yourself which one you would get regardless of what you just got offered.
Here some live shots from last week, not the best pictures but real shots to wet your appetite.
Best,
heads or tails,...
... both are great, you cannot go wrong with either.
Now i have a slight preference for the 5575G, as the white gold on the 5975G in combo with that dial, makes it a bit cold ( dry ). Works best with J and R,... and of course P.
The 5575G is simply stunning, but you might consider that its not easy to read. Very easy to admire though.
You are giving yourself 2 month before getting it? That's a very long time for your A.D to keep it. Demand is high on it, so if i were you, i would hurry to lock one of them. Just to be on the safe side
I do not think the time is a problem.
The AD promised to keep those and I understood that he has wisely kept these aside for clients who are also considering something "big". I have a dilemma between 5370P vs. 5078P as my "final" watch. That gives some bargaining power because I will buy either or.
Best, Kari
Kari, let me tell you the following. I thought about it one more time... And ...
1. 5575 is great piece of art but, readability is poor and second, Moscow time is wrong - which is important for me. Athough I like this watch a lot - reason to move from Moscow to Toscana maybe
2. Chrono - I dont get it at all. If you are going to buy crono - wait for new 5170 black dial or 5370P. These are really final watch. Not Anniversrary chrono.
3. 5131G and J really masterpieces - 5575 with all respect to it, not burning the starts in my Heart. You have 5131, enjoy it.
4. And finally - The hunter nature is to wait for the beast he wants to eat, not to eat the fat-free steak it in restaurant, killed by farmer in white gloves. Do you understand me my friend?
P.s. Hunt for new old stock 5270 - that's really the WATCH!
Thank you Ed. Words of wisdom!
I will get next week the Anniversary book and will have a closer look at the watches. However, these watches do not drive me crazy even they are nice.
Ed, are you a hunter? You speak like one. Many Russians are great bear hunters and I have been hunting Ursus Arctos in Russia more than 10 times.
What comes to Moscow - who cares. The #1 trouble maker of the world lives there. I mean "him"...
Best Ed to Moscow. Tuscany sounds like a very solid idea. Even the trip to Geneva is shorter.
Is the Ursus Arctos......
really the # 1 trouble maker in the world? Why is that? Eating too much honey or is it perhaps because it doesn't like to be hunted that much
As for the watch, having seeing and tried the 5575G, I would go with the 5270G blue dial.
Cheers
Francois
I will give just the short version of explanation.
Ursus Arctos a.k.a. Eurasian Brown Bear, in America known as Grizzly Bear ,is one of the most magnificent wild animals outside Africa. In some parts of Europe, the animal is relatively common.
Brown Bear is a mixed feeder, in other words it's eating both meat but also all kinds of berries, mushrooms, etc. Normally the bear avoids human because of fear. The reason is that the young cups learn the fear from their mothers. Again, the fear is based on limited hunting.
If the bear is not hunted for several generations, they loose the fear against human and consider human just as slow moving dinner... That has happened i.e. in some large national parks.
I spend a lot of time in Lapland where the bear population is relatively strong. The local people do not want to experience the situation that the bears are so fearless that they come a pick up their children as a snack. That has happened in the past.
So it's very different to love the bears in TV and to live in an area with a strong population. (The last brown bear I hunted was a male bear, getting tame and he went to the yards of the people. The local authorities gave an order to remove this bear). I love the bear also in the nature and I'm very happy that in both of my home countries, Finland and Estonia, we have a healthy population of bear.
Best regards,
Kari
Right, the bear in the nature is extremely dangerous...
Especialy when you see the how it's runnnig and its speed. It's a forest tank.
Sorry for off topic, but I'm trying not to hunt the animals I am not going to eat.
Ducks, deer and elk. I don't accapet the hunt just for the fan. It's terrible.
But the running bear is the Russian T-90 tank in attack - the same horror in the blood.
Hate it sound.
Fun...
Have you ever seen how the bear climbs to the tree? It goes fast!
I had last night the dinner in a Russian restaurant. The had on the menu Siberian pelmenis (=a kind a ravioli) filled with bear meat. Have you tried? (I do not like the taste of structure of bear meat).
Best, Kari
Couldn't agree more with you....
... on all you've said. And that 5270G is one of those great watches that is still unknown, and will get the recognition it deserves.
I don't really agree on the chrono point
even if I agree on other matters
For me the 5975 chrono is not a usual 2 subdials chrono.
It is a measurement instrument for 3 types of data: Speed, heartbeats and distance seperating an event from the oberver.
Thus, the "chrono" doesn't need more than a 1 minute scale.
Adding 2 subdials to the 5975 would have needed to shrink the 3 scales and put them were there is room (which there wouldn't have been enough imho).
The movement could have been the one in the 5170 but it wouldn't have cost T€.52 but more than T€.70.
We can always prefer this nice movement to 28-520 but it is a choice with consequences (price). And as the 5975 has a solid case back you wouldn't be able to admire the manual chrono mvt.
Concerning the 2 pushers vs Monopusher, I would find the 2 pushers choice more balanced aesthetically speaking (even if I like the monopusher too).
The problem of the monopusher is that it is usually bigger and sometime is not nice when weighing on the right side. A matter of taste.
And personally I may prefer the 5975 dial layout (I love it so I know I'm biased on this matter) to the 5170 black which white markings are usually to strong, too contrasted (from what I saw on last years 5270P which annouced the 2015 5270s) and I also regret the loss of the pulsometric scale.
I'm not willing to impose my opinion but as I see many don't get it, I sometime find it is not fare (the case, lugs and bezel are one of the most beautiful since the 5070) and I just wanted to bring my PoV to the discussion
Cheers EDJA.
Mark
For me the 5975 chrono is not a usual 2 subdials chrono.
It is a measurement instrument for 3 types of data: Speed, heartbeats and distance seperating an event from the oberver.
Thus, the "chrono" doesn't need more than a 1 minute scale.
Adding 2 subdials to the 5975 would have needed to shrink the 3 scales and put them were there is room (which there wouldn't have been enough imho).
The movement could have been the one in the 5170 but it wouldn't have cost T€.52 but more than T€.70.
We can always prefer this nice movement to 28-520 but it is a choice with consequences (price). And as the 5975 has a solid case back you wouldn't be able to admire the manual chrono mvt.
Concerning the 2 pushers vs Monopusher, I would find the 2 pushers choice more balanced aesthetically speaking (even if I like the monopusher too).
The problem of the monopusher is that it is usually bigger and sometime is not nice when weighing on the right side. A matter of taste.
And personally I may prefer the 5975 dial layout (I love it so I know I'm biased on this matter) to the 5170 black which white markings are usually to strong, too contrasted (from what I saw on last years 5270P which annouced the 2015 5270s) and I also regret the loss of the pulsometric scale.
I'm not willing to impose my opinion but as I see many don't get it, I sometime find it is not fare (the case, lugs and bezel are one of the most beautiful since the 5070) and I just wanted to bring my PoV to the discussion
Cheers EDJA.
Mark