Patek Philippe

Hi guys,

About to pull the trigger on 5170J. It will be my only Patek for a long time. I am surprised though that this beautiful watch does not get much love among the collectors here. Also, it seems to be easily available at many AD both in the US and Europe. Any thoughts why is that? Was the situation similar when 5070J was first released? Will the 5170 ever become collectable? Why is 5960 more popular? Yes, 5960 has more functionality but buying a Patek watch is not only about the features. 

My other thought was to get for the same money 5712A + 5396R (instead of 5170). What do you think of that? 

the reason is the high price, and the fact that there is no longer a limit as to the number of movements that can be manufactured by PP, in comparison to the Lemania based movements of the 5070.

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Dje

Really great read! Have not seen this post. I am pretty much convinced. Looks like this movement really rock.

Nt

Thank you for your input in my question. I can foresee that 5170 will also become a rare bird eventually. I do love that watch. 

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I found your post. You wrote however that you prefer 5960 to 5170. How about 5960R with white dial that was just released? Would you take that over the 5170? Also, I was surprised to hear that you had issues with the movement in 5170 after 2 months only! Did Patek fix it. Did you have more problems with it?

to hurry, at the moment. First version in YG and (for sure) more to come ...

A very classical watch with lots of PP DNA and even the long awaited (in-house) movement looks very classic and not impressive - on the first view.Eliminating false starts

• Synchronizing clutch and brake
• Eccentric cap
• Flicking minutes
• Self adjusting hammers
• Le confort ("user-friendliness")

If you are not sure you got all the mentioned details, I can recommend Ron DeCorte´s article (watch around, Nr. 010).

Another reason why we don´t see that many around/here, could be that quite a few people seriously interested have to safe longer than ever before ... ;-)

If you like it, go for it

Oliver

and have it. As of late, the market place has been soft, to say the least, on this reference. I do believe down the road they will be quite the collectible. I wear the watch daily and it is a joy to own and wear. People just like the larger 5070 at 42mm and the fact it is Lemania. The sharp edge bezel may be a concern but the case is classic Patek on many references. As happens so often, a new watch comes out and the investor insider/elite grab them all up sealed to resell and the average Joe has to wait. If the investors get nervous they sell all at once, so there are deals out there. Once they are gone, who knows, but we have a nice watch to wear for the present and that is the best of the equation.

Enjoy your watch, fully.

After all, if you got it, it is because you love bit, and that is the most important.

To answer your question,  the 5070 needed time to win the hearts of the collectors.

It may be the same for the 5070, even if I find itt less desirable than the 5070, but this is just my very personal opinion, nothing else.

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Nicolas

Then the rumours started that omega would stop supply of lemania

Great post.  There speaks a man that understands how the market and it's participants work!

I think the 5960 is more popular because it is an annual calendar, so it's very useful, practical. It's also a bigger thicker watch with a very sporty case. All of this makes the watch more 'wearable' on a so-called everyday basis.

I passed on the 5170 because of the pulsometer, which indicates that the 5170 is a medical doctor's watch vs. the 5070's tachy for gentleman race car drivers.

the 5960 doesnt have any kind of scale, which I think is a more contemporary design because we have digital heart rate monitors and speedometers these days 

the time stop watch timer anyway and the timer on any of these watches no matter what the scale or no scale can be used to flat time anything. Who could even use a tech scale, at least the pulse meter has some utility to the average person. But, I agree and like the lack of a scale as a preference (ala 3970).

In my opinion, people who own a 5070 are going to say they don't like the 5170 to protect their purchases. Some may do so consciously because they fear losing value on their 5070, while others may do so unconsciously for similar reasons. It would be nearly impossible to tell which ones actually do like the 5070 better than the 5170, since, despite any claims to the contrary, they are biased by their previous purchase and by a need to protect that purchase. Ultimately, people want to justify their choices and purchases.

I much prefer the 5070 as I much prefer the dial and overall look. I could easily add a 5170 but it just doesn't appeal to me. To each his own of course. One can say that anyone who says they prefer the 5170 are biased as they must own it. That is plain silly and the great thing about watches is you can pick the ones you like and everyone has different tastes and styles which there are plenty out there for all to appreciate and own. Cheers,

Absolutely, someone who owns any watch is biased in favor of that watch. The OP was asking why there is so little love for the 5170; I think the prevalence of 5070s and the bias of ownership is a fare assessment. Contrasting this with the newness of the 5170s (a smaller number in circulation), there are not many 5170 owners out there to support the 5170, but there are plenty of 5070 owners out there to disparage the 5170. en.m.wikipedia.org  This message has been edited by QueueCumber on 2012-10-13 18:09:14

All I know is I'm clinically obsessed in love with the 5170.    Is there any help for me?

Yes. You must buy the 5170. Then you can move on to a new watch to obsess about.... ;D

If you judge love by AD inventory (at least in NA and EU)  you may think no one wants these pieces. However, in my experience same will go for 5159, 5140, 5496, 5139, 5960, 5167......(and the list goes on). I am based in the US but travel frequently to the EU and Asia.

Pricing is always an issue in a recession, but I don't see how this impacts what I wrote about the large amount of negative sentiment by 5070 owners towards the 5170 that I have seen on forums. What I wrote isn't based on sales, it is based on negative sentiment of 5170s by 5070 owners...

Yes. I agree besides AD inventory. People obviously justify what they purchased.

what is important is what you like.

The 5070 was a strong piece, with a lot of character, in comparison the 5170 seems more "quiet". But if you look at all Patek chronographs in Patek Philippe history, then you see a nice return to the classical Chronograph form. And the caliber is a beautiful step forward.

If you like it, if you feel comfortable with it, why trading it?

cheers

Francois

with you Cisco, when you say that the 5170 has less character than the 5070. They look quite different to me and I could have both without boring ;-)

5170 is less sporty, let's say.