Patek Philippe

Unfortunately, even if it has the Louvelle Lemania mechanism, I am sorry to admit that it is quite a fragile watch. Please note that it comes from the beginning of the brand (my watch was first sold in 2002) and a higher quality of assembly is expected. I already encountered 2 technical problems within 4 months of owning it, one with the chrono function and the other with a small screw that is "wondering" in the mechanism. I sent it for repairs again but it is probably time for a general overhaul. Sorry for the poor quality of the photo. Otherwise, it is very well finished, both the case and mechanism. The dial is superb. The highly polished bezel make it an easy scratch victim.

Indeed one of those 'other' super chronographs

Interesting picture of this familiar looking movement.

Best,

Nicolas

All so similar, yet completely different! Fantastic! Do you have a particular favourite?

As previously said, my favourite would be a  mix of these 4 beasts.

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Nicolas

It really makes very enjoyable reading and although based on your thoughts you have allowed the photographs to do the talking......
I happen to agree with you and think that it is the most beautiful chrono available and for me is much more appealing than the 5170.
I have owned a WG which I loved very much and agree with you about its very clean looks. I sold it when the chance for a 5070p came up but I must admit while I would keep the 5070p I do miss the WG a great deal.
Thanks again for such a great post.
Kindest
Miles.

 

I was the first on the list in France, for the 5070P.

I never got it, and was never called by my AD.

So, I had to come back to my first option, the G.

But I had, several times, the opportunity to see the P in the flesh, and I must admit that it is dangerously appealing, much more than on picture.

So, the best solution is to get the G and the P, but is this reasonable?

Aaah, are we here to be reasonable?

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Nicolas

I have tried very hard not to have 2 of anything in my collection but had to break it just the once for these 2 ....... So I think 2X 5070`s would be wrong for me...
Kindest
Miles.

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Great post Amanico!

Also thanks to Jerome and POY for their contributions!

-MW

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first of all thank you for this great report......

Your ideas/views are very interesting....

The presentation was superb....
I agree with your strap choice... almost perfect....
You could also consider a grey one (similar to Oliver's)....

However I do disagree with some of your comparisons...

5070 should be compared (in my opinion) with the Lange 1815.....
The datograph has also the date function so it is not a solo chrono....
I find those two watches more comparable.....

5070 and Duometre are also very different.....
The PP is again a traditional chrono while the JLC is an evolution and truly unique.....

I am surprised that you say that the JLC finishing is better than the PP...
I thought it was the reverse.... but as you own both, I will take your word......

Having said all this.....
Your report was superb and your raised some great points.....

Thank you my friend for adding to the chrono discussion....

cheers....

ps an interesting comparison would be between two other
different concepts,,, duometre to Amvox 2.....

I still think that the PP 5070 shouldn't be compared to the Lange 1815 Chrono, as the movements are not the same ( dedicated for the Lange / adapted for the PP, Flyback for the Lange, not for the PP ).

Same for the 5070 / Duometre ( Foudroyante, in this case ).

As for the level of the finish of the movement, when I see both of them,  side by side, I prefer the JLC, as some prefer the PP, or the Dato.

It is a matter of taste, and maybe also, of finish.

As for the comparison post about the Duometre and the Amvox II, I think I already made something like this, it was a quick post.

Best, my friend.

Nicolas

Then, we should find another Lange chrono to compare it... lol

As far as the duometre, I was referring to the finishing of the case,
the movement is a different concept and thus not comparable.....



Having said that, these kind of posts are very interesting, as they provoke valuable debates....

thanks my friend...



cheers

ps. do you have a link of the Amvox/dumetre post?

Is brushed and polished, while the 5070 case is  entirely polished.

That's what I meant.

As for the link about the Duometre and amvox II, I will have to do a search...When I have 5 minutes.

Best!

Nicolas

 

 

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I could have spent more time studying the famous Lemania movement which was used by PP and VC...

But I didn't say my last word...

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Nicolas

 

I think this detailed review and comparison with other chrono icons will be read and re-read many times over. Perhaps some of the comparisons may be imperfect as these icons have some different functions and expressions, but I'd certainly attempt to make such comparisons before adding such an icon. Bravo. The 5070 wins the aesthetic part of the competion for me  hand down, but that's just me   

The only comparison, at the end, is between the VC and the PP, not with the 2 other Chronographs.

But they both share a same thing, or should I say Philosophy: The Vision of fine Chronographs from their respective brands.

In that sense, the comparison is worth it, only in that sense.

Thanks for your input, my friend.

Nicolas

Nice comparison with the others, I prefer the Vacheron and the 5170 visually as like you say the "numbers aren't eaten by the subdials". Though I'm sure you and the other owners of the 5070 don't mind

All of these examples are classics.

We can't go wrong with each of these marvels.

I must admit that I would have much preferred to not see  the applied numbers  " eaten " by the 2 counters, but I can live with that.

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Nicolas

 

love it, been sometime since i read a good comparison. chronos have always been my fav. thks mate for the extremely readable article and your views.

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Who makes your shirts, amanico?

Love those cuffs!

Cheers, mate!

TM

I'd better answer that, my Italian wife is just behind me...

Best,

Nicolas