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Be carefull!

 

The Omega "bible" is a good book but as always: be carefull about what you read and see!

Not everything that is printed must be "the right thing" as we all know - Omega is not very picky in chosing pictures and there may be well  some examples showing restored dials! Even on their website (vintage watches division).

Concerning the Chronometer dials (30 T2 Rg and SC as well) which are discussed in a seperate thread: In the "Omega bible" there is at least one dial which is a later replica: picture/text  number 3611.  

And there are 2 further dials which are suspicious for a redial:  # 2317  and   # 2374.  But I have not seen them "in flesh" yet. I am planning to visit the Omega museum this summer. 

I remember the Omegamania catalogue which was made by Antiqu...  in cooperation with Omega. All the watches had undergone a close inspecton and service in the Omega factory!

There are several watches in this catalogue with undoubtedly REFINISHED dials - not mentioned with a single word in the item description!

If somebody takes the catalogue as a reference book for authenticity of dials (and fonts) -  outsch!!! 

The best way is to build one´s own  "archive" with pictures of undoubted original dials.

There is nothing better than EXPERIENCE  and a good watch forum like this with people who know what they are talking about...

kind regards

Erich 

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Seamaster cal 343

 
By: diamondjim : April 20th, 2009-00:18
Hi, this will be my first try at posting photos, so please bear with me. This is the 343 that I found in a coin shop and I am asking for help with the dial. What if anything should I do with this dial? It is very presentable the way it is but looking at o...  

What a huge coincidence!

 
By: MSNWatch : April 20th, 2009-04:30
I have the same exact watch with a 14k gold case, 343 bumper movement, and the dial finished exactly the same way (except for some minor differences with the luminous)! Here is a picture of mine:...  

serial#'s

 
By: diamondjim : April 20th, 2009-09:42
Hi MSN, did you notice the serial#'s only 26#'s off! My is 12188946, sorry about the poor photo quality, Jim

Jim, i'm slightly confused. is this a refinished dial or one without 'chronometer' on it ?

 
By: G99 : April 20th, 2009-10:34
it looks ok to me especially as there is another one like it. i'm not up on dials, but can usually spot a redial. if your not thinking of keeping it long then perhaps its not worth the expense getting a NOS dial. having it refinished IMO is a bad idea unl... 

I agree with Graham...

 
By: francois : April 20th, 2009-11:57
This is probably the original dial, as we have two examples of a similar dial on these movements. I seem to remember that there have been other instances where chronometers were not so described on the dials. if your considering offloading it feel free to... 

Hi Guys... i think that they are both redials....

 
By: Bill Sohne : April 21st, 2009-05:49
Hi Guys I was staring at both watches... The Seamaster Script letter forms are not the same between the two ... as an example look at the ending "er" in Seamaster . The counter of the e ( the shaped formed in the center of the e) is not the same... and th...  

Thats great!

 
By: diamondjim : April 21st, 2009-11:50
Thanks it never occurred to me to do a side by side comparison, pretty plain to see now, Jim

i knew you'd know the...

 
By: G99 : April 21st, 2009-06:44
i knew you'd know the answer Bill, the font of all Omega knowledge. interesting that the 19 jewel 501 was the chronometer and not the 20 jewel. Omega designs is not the best book in the world, but has some good movement pics in it. although both dials loo... 

G, that is why i like it here...

 
By: Bill Sohne : April 21st, 2009-06:58
Hi G This is the stuff that I find interesting.. I am glad you like it as well.. i would like to see a 20 jewel adjusted 5 positions 501 , i have not seen one as of yet. Good Hunting Bill sohne

Me too...

 
By: francois : April 21st, 2009-08:16
Lots to learn around here. Still, it is quite amazing that these two watches would be so closely resembling each other, close in production numbers, yet different... Very interesting post! Thank you all!

well completely confused

 
By: diamondjim : April 20th, 2009-12:38
Now that I have had time to think about this, many more questions come to mind. I bought this watch a few weeks ago and the only thing I did was open it up. The reason I posted the photos was the condition of the dial was so good and I thought someone on ... 

good luck with the research...

 
By: G99 : April 20th, 2009-14:21
good luck with the research Jim, you'll need it to get a definative result. best Graham

But......

 
By: diamondjim : April 20th, 2009-22:25
Bob, the intent of my original post was to have people voice their opinions as to the validity of the dial, no its not.... doesn't cut it. Would you care to explain why you feel its been refinished? What are the basic parameters that keyed this decision f... 

Ok

 
By: Crownguard : April 21st, 2009-18:16
I should have been referring to the watch you presented, not the both. -Yours has a very peculiar font especially in the word Seamaster -The writing is sloppily applied, including the minute calibrations on the outer track and the second calibrations on t... 

fonts

 
By: diamondjim : April 21st, 2009-20:16
Hi Bob, thanks thats exactly what I was looking for in a critique, now everyone talks about "fonts" but I have yet to run across a source for for them. Would you point me to a reference or does this all come from experience and observation? Thanks, Jim

Experience

 
By: Crownguard : April 22nd, 2009-05:11
Thousands and thousands of watches examined. Still get it wrong, however. Bob

Books...

 
By: francois : April 22nd, 2009-17:27
Jim, if you're interested in collecting Omega watches, you probably should get the Bible: Omega: A Journey through Time, by Mr Marco Richon, who is curator of the Omega Museum in Bienne. There you will see hundreds of examples of vintage Omegas, and will ... 

Be carefull!

 
By: mac_omega : April 22nd, 2009-23:09
The Omega "bible" is a good book but as always: be carefull about what you read and see! Not everything that is printed must be "the right thing" as we all know - Omega is not very picky in chosing pictures and there may be well  some examples showing res... 

All too true!

 
By: MSNWatch : April 23rd, 2009-03:43
I agree with what Erich said. No substitute for self-study and consultation with forums and friends who have expertise.