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A Category Error
It is one thing to say that the great pleasure we derive from mechanical watches comes at the cost of recognizing that they will be in the shop for service more often than their quartz counterparts, or that their utility to us includes aspects separate from their ability to mimic the accuracy of an atomic clock. If either of those statements doesn't ring true to a reader, he/she might well consider buying quartz. However, it is another thing entirely to say that the mere presence of a sophisticated movement somehow absolves its maker from a baseline responsibility for a level of quality control sufficient to avoid the phenomenon being documented in this thread. Forgive me for repeating what I have had occasion to post elsewhere, but it is important for all of us to remember that we are customers, not beta testers.
PAM 270 failed again.... 2nd.
Hi all, I bought PAM270 in the middle of last year 2008, it ran accurately for just 2 weeks then stopped in the middle of my shopping with friends. It was kind of disappointing when I think about it.... the watch is fully wound (automatic), and I wore it ...
PAM 270 failed again.... 2nd.
I have the same problem to my 270 that i brought in end 2008,it stop in march this year and i sent to service for 6 week,when it return i wore it less than 15 day it stop again and i have to sent it to service for another 4 week,now i been checking it eve...
Russian Roulette
Over the last couple of months, I have been boring people on other boards here with various service-oriented tales of woe relating to less brawny brands than Panerai. I have been loathe to identify too many of them by name, because of my view that the qua...
When would the watch stop? First after the full wound?
Or after 10 days or so? Are you sedentary most of the day where your body movement isn't enough to fully wind the watch? - AT
My PAM 270 is at the Panerai Service Center as we speak....
Last week..I took the watch off the watchwinder and noticed the watch had stopped. The power reserve was at 7 days when it stopped. I wound the watch up to the 10 day mark and it started running. About 5 hours later, the watch stopped again. The watch was...
It's all what you want in a watch. Let me use the car analogy
What's the point of buying a brand new car in the US for $200k, but you can also buy one that costs $10k? Isn't the main point of a car to get you from Point A to Point B? It's what's inside that costs money, and the things inside, generally, are made in ...
Anthony..I respectfully disagree with you 100% on this issue...
A $200K Ferrari will outperform a $10K Hyundai in every respect. The 500HP Ferrari will do 200mph and will run a 0-60 in under 4 seconds. The 100 HP Hyundai will do 100 mph and run a 10 second 0-60 time.The expensive technology that you are paying for act...
Fully noted
If this is how you really feel about watches, then why even buy mechanical watches? A quartz watch will be more accurate than any mechanical watch IMO You shouldn't be buying watches with the expectation that a more expensive watch will keep better time t...
A Category Error
It is one thing to say that the great pleasure we derive from mechanical watches comes at the cost of recognizing that they will be in the shop for service more often than their quartz counterparts, or that their utility to us includes aspects separate fr...
Unfortunately, in some cases whenever a new movement is introduced
The customers who buy the early pieces will be the beta testers, even though the movement has been tested in the lab. I've seen brands who introduce new movements find design flaws and improve on their designs once the early pieces are out. This shouldn't...
This is not ice hockey
As you suggest, manufacturers ought not expect to be excused for turning end-users into beta testers because the referee somehow will miss or ignore the first infraction, and will only complain if the follow-up service is inferior. They have already faile...
This is how things work in today's world
The 1st products that roll out in any industry are the ones that will probably have bugs, even have heavy alpha and beta testing prior to rollout. If you can't tolerate this, then it's probably best to stay away from any new products until all the kinks a...
Still not acceptable.
To continue with the car analogy and to continue your BMW M5 example. If the oil leak was caused by a defective part from a supplier, can you still blame BMW? If it is a design issue, do you consider it a bug?? WIthout knowing exactly what validation and ...
The Sheep Look Up
The more readily we say "this is how things work..." and shrug, the longer things will continue to work that way. I can't begin to know the economic circumstances of the 50% percentile contributor to these boards, but, for me, buying a fine mechanical wat...
May I have a word?
I am a test engineer, and even though designers and testers are doing their best in order to come up with a flawless product, the real test is in the field, where there are situations which were never forseen in developing and production design, and not b...
Yup this is how the real world works unfortunately
And this is why new products are never perfect. You can test all you want in the lab/factory/manufacture to get most of the kinks out, but the final test will be after the is released when millions of people use your product. This is why one of my mission...
Is that right?
1. Surely you are aware that "millions of people" have not, and never will, use the 270. 2. Surely there is a meaningful gap between expecting a wristwatch to run and demanding "absolute perfection" from it. 3. My own "musings" do not equate the expectati...
Function
To use sdtom's analogy: This is not a matter of accuracy or degrees of function (0-60 times, top speed), this is a matter of even perfoming (engine starting) in the first place. I dislike the artificial dichotomy between quartz and mechanical movements th...
I think the key is to assess
whether the poor performance of the 270 in question is a result of less-than-optimal quality control or intrinsic design flaw. Obviously with the later being a bit more tricky to prove, I would venture a guess that this is probably a QC issue. With that a...
We are on the same page! Positively Good Luck!
We are on the same page! Positively Good Luck!
Nobody/Nothing is perfect!
I would like to offer some of my opinions. 1) First, there is virtually nothing perfect in today world. It's possible that impossible happens; Tiger Woods failed to win the PGA despite we all expected him to win on Sunday. 2) As consumer, we expect better...