What do you think of familial "borrowings" (thefts, appropriations...whatever they may be called)

Jan 12, 2018,11:45 AM

Different people will have different views on this and will use different terms to describe the use of another's design elements.

Within the Richemont Group, B&M has released a cross-hair dial that in some ways is quite similar to the TT Geophysic. I find these similarities unmistakable and clearly derived from the TT Geophysic.



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Anytime something is.............

 By: trm_tca : January 12th, 2018-12:55
successful and/or highly sought after there will be copy cats, knock offs and imitations. Some say it is the sincerest form of flattery, others may take you to court. I think it is a nice looking watch and much more affordable than the JLC as I feel JLC's... 

Certainly more accessible, so a benefit to some, but those design elements are still those of another company.

 By: vitalsigns : January 12th, 2018-14:57
I sympathize with the price comment, although JLC is not a felony offender here, and it has had some price realignment recently. But I still remember prices in the early to mid 2000s, so current prices seem outrageous in comparison.

LOL yes 😊

 By: Alkiro1 : January 12th, 2018-15:22
Best wishes Alkiro

Anytime I see this, I feel disappointed on the lack of creativity of the latter release brand...

 By: Raymond_S : January 12th, 2018-13:26
and I won’t support them, sorry. It’s also easy way out, laziness. Rgds Raymond

You might call it sharing resources, but why create redundancy, or options?

 By: Raymond_S : January 12th, 2018-15:10
I don't know....sharing parts like automakers is ok, but for looks-wise, I prefer better effort.

Same here [nt]

 By: vitalsigns : January 12th, 2018-15:21

Definitely an hommage of sorts, but I'm not sure I like the use, even if B&M is a sister brand.

 By: vitalsigns : January 12th, 2018-15:02
...And perhaps less so (since B&M is a sister brand) given that someone in Richemont may have explicitly approved a design which they had the power to reject in deference to JLC.

A friend sought advice on choosing a watch to celebrate 20 yrs employ.

 By: nomadgiles : January 12th, 2018-23:02
He showed me some examples from B&M & Frederique Constant - all looked somewhat linked to other manufacturers designs, but lacked ‘soul’ (for want of a better word). I advised they would look great on someone regularly delayed in international air... 

Very hard to turn the uninitiated on to vintage, even despite the great value.

 By: vitalsigns : January 13th, 2018-09:08
I do like that FC and B&M have classic designs, but this one irked me a bit as it’s not a design that seems to have passed into the generic, unlike, e.g., a calendar moonphase (a la FM, which is quite a nice watch for the price). Cheers, John

O.k. it resembles JL a bit but still it is a very interesting watch and still with a typical B&M design, to me at least

 By: COUNT DE MONET : January 13th, 2018-01:25
Such a design (the indices in particular) have been used by b&M before and overall this watch is clearly a B&M watch. 5 days pr and a chronometer for a price as such is quite an appealing offer. The case is elegant, the materials are good and the function... 

Surely the overall watch is fine, even good.

 By: vitalsigns : January 13th, 2018-09:12
My misgivings only relate to the unmistakeable design elements taken front JLC’s TT Geophysic. But I am glad that B&M is offering good value watches, especially compared to other price inflated Swiss pieces. Cheers, John